US Offers Concession After Concession To Maintain Drone Program... Pakistan says no

I think despite collateral damage drones have done good job of taking out terrorists.

White House Offers To Curtail Drone Program In Pakistan, Officials Say

WASHINGTON – In a bid to save the CIA’s drone campaign against al-Qaida in Pakistan, US officials offered key concessions to Pakistan’s spy chief that included advance notice and limits on the types of targets. But the offers were flatly rejected, leaving US-Pakistani relations strained as President Barack Obama prepares to meet Tuesday with Pakistan’s prime minister.

CIA Director David Petraeus, who met with Pakistan’s then-spy chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha at a meeting in London in January, offered to give Pakistan advance notice of future CIA drone strikes against targets on its territory in a bid to keep Pakistan from blocking the strikes – arguably one of the most potent U.S. tools against al-Qaida.

The CIA chief also offered to apply new limits on the types of targets hit, said a senior U.S. intelligence official briefed on the meetings. No longer would large groups of armed men rate near-automatic action, as they had in the past – one of the so-called “signature” strikes, where CIA targeters deemed certain groups and behavior as clearly indicative of militant activity.

Pasha said then what Pakistani officials and its parliament have repeated in recent days: that Pakistan will no longer brook independent U.S. action on its territory by CIA drones, two Pakistani officials said. All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive negotiations.

Pasha went further, saying Pakistan’s intelligence service would no longer carry out joint raids with U.S. counterterrorist teams inside its country, as it had in the past. Instead, Pakistan would demand that the U.S. hand over the intelligence, so its forces could pursue targets on their own in urban areas, or send the Pakistani army or jets to attack the targets in the tribal areas, explained a senior Pakistani official.

The breakdown in U.S.-Pakistani relations follows a series of incidents throughout 2011 that have marred trust – from a CIA security officer who shot dead two alleged Pakistani assailants, to the U.S. Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, to the border incident where U.S. forces returned fire they believed came from a Pakistani border post, killing 24 Pakistani troops. The diplomatic fallout has led to the ejection of U.S. military trainers who’d worked closely with Pakistani counter-insurgent forces, slowed CIA drone strikes, and almost halted the once-common joint raids and investigations by Pakistan’s intelligence service together with the CIA and FBI.

Pasha’s pronouncements were in line with the Pakistani parliament’s demands issued last week that included ceasing all U.S. drone strikes as part of what Pakistani politicians call a “total reset” in its relationship. Pakistan’s parliament last week demanded cessation of all unilateral U.S. actions including the drone strikes.

The rejection of the U.S. offers set up a potentially rocky meeting ahead between Obama and Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani in South Korea on Tuesday, on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit. President Asif Ali Zardari met with special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Ambassador Mark Grossman en route to Pakistan, and Central Command chief Gen. James Mattis is headed to Pakistan in April.

Complicating efforts to restore relations are the demands made by a Pakistani parliamentary committee.

A personality change at the top of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence is another wrinkle, with Pasha now replaced by Army Lt. Gen. Zaheerul Islam officially last week, a senior U.S. official said. While Islam has spent time studying at U.S. military institutions, and once served as deputy to the ISI, he is a mostly unknown quantity to U.S. officials. The staff change was not anticipated when the January Pasha-Petraeus meeting took place, both U.S. and Pakistani officials said.

The diplomatic furor threatens to halt the CIA’s drone program, which in the last eight years, has killed an estimated 2,223 Taliban, al-Qaida and other suspected militants with 289 strikes, peaking at 117 strikes throughout 2010, reducing al-Qaida’s manpower, firepower and reach, according to Bill Roggio at the Long War Journal website, which tracks the strikes. U.S. officials say his figures are fairly accurate, though they would not give more precise figures.

The strikes have markedly slowed to only 10 strikes in the opening months of this year, with the last in mid-March, Roggio said. That puts the program on pace for a total of 40-50 strikes for the year, less than the year before.

Roggio says the strikes so far this year seem to back up that report: out of the 10 strikes, two killed high-value targets, and another strike killed three mid-level Taliban leaders, with no large groups reportedly targeted by any of the drone’s missiles. In previous years, an average of only 5 percent to 10 percent of targets were deemed high value, with larger numbers of foot soldiers and a much lower percentage of commanders among those hit.

U.S. officials took issue with the interpretation that signature strikes had ceased, adding the “U.S. is conducting, and will continue to conduct, the counterterrorism operations it needs to protect the U.S. and its interests.” The CIA offered no official comment.

In his opening salvo to keep the program going, Petraeus offered to give his Pakistani counterpart advance notice of the strikes, as had been the practice under the Bush administration, which launched far fewer strikes overall against militant targets.

The U.S. had stopped giving the Pakistanis advance notice, after multiple incidents of targets escaping, multiple senior U.S. counterterrorist officials say. U.S. intelligence intercepts showed Pakistani officials alerted local tribal leaders of impending action on their territory, and those leaders oftentimes in turn alerted the militants.

Petraeus also outlined how the U.S. had raised the threshold needed to take strikes, requiring his approval more often than in the past, the U.S. official said.

Pakistan’s military wants to go back to the “Reagan rules – the way the CIA operated with the ISI against the Soviets” inside Afghanistan, says former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, of the Brookings Institute. “We give them a big check, and they make every decision about how that is spent. Minimal American footprint in country, or involvement in actual fighting the bad guys.”

“We cannot trust the ISI to fight this war for us,” after finding bin Laden in a Pakistani military town, “showing the ISI was either clueless or complicit,” Riedel said.

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The very use of the term "collateral damage" should be banned from our vernacular. If you're going to support these strikes, then be kind enough to say what it is: the death of INNOCENT infants, children, women and men who are not on the battle field. And this is what makes the term so bloody odious. This is by far and wide not women and children taking shelter in terrorist camps, but rather warfare being taken into civilian areas where terrorists are taking shelter. My hope is I don't have to explain the difference to all and sundry, as the asymmetry should be obvious. If it's wrong when the terrorists do it...

Re: US Offers Concession After Concession To Maintain Drone Program... Pakistan says

And it paid off. Didn't it? Russia, the worst enemey of the US, had to leave Afghanistan. A job well done. Right?

Re: US Offers Concession After Concession To Maintain Drone Program… Pakistan says

Anti-Americanism in Pakistan snarls US war efforts | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

**ISLAMABAD: US diplomatic efforts to persuade Pakistan to reopen Nato supply lines to the Afghan war are proving no match for rampant anti-Americanism here, with Pakistani lawmakers increasingly unwilling to support a decision that risks them branded as friends of Washington.

****Opposition legislators are demanding that the US end its drone strikes against militants as a precondition, complicating US strategies for winding down the 10-year war just weeks before a major Nato conference in President Barack Obama’s hometown of Chicago.
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**Relations between the US and Pakistan have been marked by mistrust since the two countries were thrust together following the Sept 11, 2001 attacks, but shared interests—near-bankrupt Pakistan needs American aid, America needs Pakistan’s support against al-Qaeda—had kept the alliance more or less intact.
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That changed in November when US air strikes inadvertently killed 24 Pakistani troops on the Afghan border, triggering nationwide outrage and retaliation from Pakistan, which suspended diplomatic contacts and blocked vital land routes for US and Nato troops in Afghanistan.

Since then, banned militant groups have staged large rallies around the country against any move to reopen the supply lines. One of the leaders of the movement has been Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group allegedly blamed for the 2008 attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai that killed 166 people.

**Late Monday, the US announced a $10 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Saeed, who lives openly in Pakistan.
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**According to many analysts, Saeed has the sympathy or support of the country’s powerful military establishment, which shares his hostility to India. The announcement could therefore be seen as a provocation in Pakistan and further strain ties with Washington.
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Pakistan has placed Saeed under house arrest before, but prosecutors have been unable to make charges stick against him. Given the popular hostility to the US among the Pakistani public, it is unlikely that the government will act now against Saeed.

Pakistan banned Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2002 under US pressure, but it operates with relative freedom under the name of its social welfare wing Jamaat-ud-Dawwa. The US has designated both groups as foreign terrorist organisations.

US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Saeed’s increasingly ”brazen” appearances on television were a factor in the announcement.

”I think the sense has been over the past few months that this kind of reward might hasten the justice system,” she said.

**The reward marks a shift in the long-standing US calculation that going after the leadership of an organisation allegedly used as a proxy by the Pakistani military would cause too much friction with the Pakistani government.
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While there was no single incident or development that caused the US to act now, the group has developed a more anti-Western agenda in recent years, with Westerners among the victims of the Mumbai attack, for example, a US official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters.

The official acknowledged that declaring the leader a wanted man could complicate the US-Pakistani relationship.

But the group made itself a target the US could not ignore by slowly expanding its lower-level working relationships with the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other militant organisations, the official said.

The official said the Pakistani military had kept the group from achieving any high-level coordination with al-Qaeda as part of Pakistan’s ”attempts to constrain the group.”

**But it’s unclear whether the bounty will have any impact other than embarrassing Pakistani authorities and pleasing India, which has long called for his arrest.
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**Saeed, who has denied involvement in the Mumbai attacks, said the US announced the reward because of his demonstrations against any reopening of the supply lines.
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”We are organising massive public meetings to inform the nation about all the threats which Pakistan will face after the restoration of the supplies,” he told The Associated Press at a mosque in the capital, Islamabad.

”With the grace of God we are doing our work in Pakistan openly. It is regrettable that America has no information about me. Such rewards are usually for those who live in caves and mountains.”

Few inside the Pakistani government or the army believe a permanent supply line blockade is worth the resulting international isolation. Pakistan relies on the US and other Nato countries for its economic survival and for diplomatic and military support.

But re-engaging carries a political cost in a country where association with the United States is toxic.

That cost is felt more keenly now by mainstream parties because general elections are scheduled within a year.

Seeking political cover, the weak coalition government ordered a parliamentary committee to come up with proposals for a new relationship with the US On March 20, the committee presented its recommendations to parliament, which included the reopening of supply lines but with higher tariffs, and also an end to drone strikes.

US officials had hoped the parliamentary session would lead to a quick resumption of ties, but that hasn’t happened.

Sessions to debate the recommendations have been boycotted or taken over with discussions on other national issues.

**Opposition parties, sensing the government wants them to share any political fallout for what will be an unpopular decision to reopen the routes, are refusing to cooperate.

****“This is a hugely complicating factor. The government may now be realizing that by trying to be clever it has created problems for itself,” said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington.

****“In parliamentary democracies it is the responsibility of the executive to formulate a policy and act on it. The Americans tell me they are being very patient, but I know they are getting very impatient.”
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In recent weeks, the US has renewed high-level contacts with Pakistan, including meetings in Islamabad last week between Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and the top US commander in the region, Gen James Mattis. Obama met with Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani in South Korea.

But a US official said talks on the supply line issue could not start before the parliament had finished debating the recommendations. He said it was unclear when that would be. He didn’t give his name because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

Before November, about 30 per cent of the nonfatal supplies for foreign troops in Afghanistan were unloaded at the port of Karachi and then trucked across Pakistan to the border. For most of the war, 90 per cent of the supplies came through Pakistan, but Nato has increased its reliance on an alternate, so called “northern” route, through Central Asia in recent years.Increased use of the northern route has removed some of the leverage Islamabad had over the West, but at a cost to the coalition. Pentagon officials now say it costs about $17,000 per container to go through the north, compared with about $7,000 per container to go over Pakistan.

The importance of the supply routes in general will rise, however, toward the end of 2014, when they will be needed to remove equipment from Afghanistan as foreign forces withdraw.

The parliamentary committee is currently reviewing its recommendations so they can be unanimously accepted by the parliament. One demand of opposition lawmakers is that the restoration of the supply lines be explicitly tied to a halt in drone attacks.

Pakistani lawmakers and government leaders have long campaigned against the strikes, which have been carried out with some level of secret collaboration with the Pakistani army.

Opposition to attacks has become a rallying cry for anti-American politicians, who say they violate sovereignty and kill too many civilians.
**US officials say they have offered Pakistan notice about impending strikes and new limits on which militants are being targeted. Washington views the attacks as a vital tool in suppressing al-Qaeda, and is seen as highly unlikely to agree to end them.

**“By linking the resumption with drone attacks, things become unworkable,” said Ayaz Amir, an opposition lawmaker who is something of a maverick.

**“The possibilities of a workable deal are being shortened. They are not going to stop drone attacks, the supply lines are not going to open. We are going to have to suffer the consequences.”

**Western officials are already looking ahead to the Nato conference in Chicago on May 20-21 where more than 50 heads of state will discuss progress on ending the war. The US wants Pakistan to attend, but the meeting could be overshadowed if Pakistan is still blocking supplies to Nato members.

Re: US Offers Concession After Concession To Maintain Drone Program... Pakistan says

امریکانے پاکستان کی قومی ایئرلائن پر نئی پابندی عائدکردی ہے۔ ایسی پابندی دنیاکی کسی اورایئرلائن پرنہیں لگائی گئی۔ پی آئی اے حکام کا کہنا ہے کہ اس پابندی کے نتیجے میں پی آئی اے کا امریکاکیلئے فضائی آپریشن تباہی کاشکارہوجانے کا خدشہ ہے۔ مبصرین اسے نیٹوسپلائی بند کرنے کاردعمل بھی قراردے رہے ہیں۔امریکی ادارے ٹی ایس اے یعنی ٹرانسپوٹیشن سیکیورٹی ایڈمنسٹریشن نے پابندی عائد کردی ہے کہ 22اپریل کے بعد امریکا آنے سے پہلے پی آئی اے کی تمام پروازوں کے مسافروں،اِن کے سامان اورکارگوکی برطانیہ کے مانچسٹرایئرپورٹ پر دوبارہ جانچ پڑتال کی جائے گی۔ پی آئی اے کی مانچسٹر کے راستے ہفتہ وار تین پروازیں امریکی شہرنیویارک جاتی ہیں۔ یہ پروازیں دیڑھ گھنٹے کیلئے مانچسٹر ایئرپورٹ پر رکتی ہیں، نئی امریکی پابندی کے بعد پروازوں کوچھ سے سات گھنٹے تک مانچسٹرمیں رکناپڑے گا، ذرائع کے مطابق مانچسٹر ایئرپورٹ پرسہولتیں بہت محدود ہیں، اس لئے پی آئی اے کی پروازوں کوگھنٹوں انتظارکرناہوگا جبکہ پاکستانی مسافروں گھنٹوں مسافروں کیلئے انتہائی تکلیف دہ بھی ہوگا۔ دوسری جانب ایئرپورٹ پر طیارے کی زیادہ دیر تک پارکنگ اور لاوٴنچز کی فیس ، بیگج اور کارگو کی اسکینگ کے چارجز اور مسافروں کے کھانے پینے کی مد میں پی آئی اے کو لاکھوں روپے کی اضافی اخراجات کاسامناہوگا۔امریکا کیلئے پروازوں کے دورانیہ میں اضافے سے پی آئی اے کا شیڈول بھی متاثرہوگا۔کیونکہ پی آئی اے کوپہلے ہی طیاروں کی کمی کاسامنا ہے۔اس طرح پی آئی اے کے مسافروں کا دیگرایئرلائنزپرچلے جانے کا خدشہ بڑھ جائے گا جس سے پی آئی اے کو کئی ملین ڈالرز کا نقصان ہوگا۔امریکا نے دُنیا کی کسی ایئرلائن پرپی آئی اے جیسی پابندی عائد نہیں کی۔مبصرین اُسے نیٹوسپلائی بند کرنے کا ردعمل بھی قرار دے رہے ہیں۔پی آئی اے کے انتظامی ذرائع کے مطابق امریکی انتظامیہ نے اپنے خط میں پابندی کی کوئی وجہ نہیں بتائی ہے۔ اُدھر امریکا کی دی گئی مہلت میں صرف 19 دن رہ گئے ، پی آئی اے نے وزرات دفاع کو لکھا بھی ہے ، لیکن حکومت نے ابھی تک امریکا سے اس بارے میں کوئی رابطہ نہیں کیا ہے
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