Re: US marines 'massscred Iraqi civilians'
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Re: US marines ‘massscred Iraqi civilians’
Interesting reading from a reporter who was in Haditha around the time of the event. Obviously there are no circumstances where intentionally shooting civilians whould not be investigated and punished. But the circumstances surrounding the incident sound grim.
A reporter’s shock at the Haditha allegations
By Arwa Damon
CNN
Tuesday, May 30, 2006; Posted: 9:56 p.m. EDT (01:56 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) – It actually took me a while to put all the pieces together – that I know these guys, the U.S. Marines at the heart of the alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians in Haditha.
I don’t know why it didn’t register with me until now. It was only after scrolling through the tapes that we shot in Haditha last fall, and I found footage of some of the officers that had been relieved of their command, that it hit me.
I know the Marines that were operating in western al Anbar, from Husayba all the way to Haditha. I went on countless operations in 2005 up and down the Euphrates River Valley.** I was pinned on rooftops with them in Ubeydi for hours taking incoming fire, and I’ve seen them not fire a shot back because they did not have positive identification on a target.
I saw their horror when they thought that they finally had identified their target, fired a tank round that went through a wall and into a house filled with civilians. They then rushed to help the wounded – remarkably no one was killed.
I was with them in Husayba as they went house to house in an area where insurgents would booby-trap doors, or lie in wait behind closed doors with an AK-47, basically on suicide missions, just waiting for the Marines to come through and open fire. There were civilians in the city as well, and the Marines were always keenly aware of that fact. How they didn’t fire at shadows, not knowing what was waiting in each house, I don’t know. But they didn’t.
And I was with them in Haditha, a month before the alleged killings last November of some 24 Iraqi civilians.
I’m told that investigators now strongly suspect a rampage by a small number of Marines who snapped after one of their own was killed by a roadside bomb.
Haditha was full of IEDs. It seemed they were everywhere, like a minefield. In fact, the number of times that we were told that we were standing right on top of an IED minutes before it was found turned into a dark joke between my CNN team and me.
In fact, when we initially left to link up with the company that we were meant to be embedded with, the Humvee that I was in was hit by an IED. Another 2 inches and we would have been killed. Thankfully, no one was injured.
We missed the beginning of the operation, and ended up entering Haditha that evening. The city was empty of insurgents, or they had gone into hiding as they so often do, blending with the civilian population, waiting for U.S. and Iraqi forces to sweep through and then popping up again.
But this time, after this operation, the Marines and the Iraqi Army were not going to pull out, they were going to set up fixed bases.
Now, all these months later, while watching the tapes, I found a walk and talk with one of the company commanders that was relieved of his duty as a result of the Haditha probe.
After being hit by an IED, his men were searching the area and** found a massive weapons cache in a mosque**. Although it wasn’t his company that we were embedded with, the Marines had taken me to the mosque so we could get footage of the cache.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/30/damon.iraq.btsc/index.html
Re: US marines 'massscred Iraqi civilians'
American's slaughter inncoent people, and then make justifications for them later. Sick.
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I justified nothing, please learn to read.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5177956987382860214&q=shooting+cars
I love the music in the background.
Re: US terrorists murder a family of 15 in their homes
No, that aspect is in fact an impedement to progress as there was no significant knowledge transfered during these mega projects.
Clearly, though, the effects of urbanization and an introduction to urbanization (from a stricly tribal, psuedo-rural backroud) has rubbed off on them.
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saudization has utterly failed. read, arabnews.com, everyday there are articles on how incompetent arabs are.
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Saudiazation may be mishandled, but it is neccessary. The Saudi's must ultimately do the labour (from white to blue) themselves.
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soviets as very nice guys?
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No. They were better allies. There is a significant difference. No one is suggesting that they (or America for that matter) were justified in their military adventures. But, when held at a distance, they made great allies.
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No not really. If USA instead of invading Iraq, invests billions of dollars in Afghanistan for instance.
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The point is, that never happened. And I doubt it would...
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Well thats our failure. We should have asked USA to set up factories, plants, etc in our country. Instead of buying arms, we should have asked on how to build these weapons. USA sees the world with a myopic zeal, so we could have extracted so much more from USA than what we got in the 1980's
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Exactly. Choosing America as an ally (and part and parcel of latching onto a super power was that they would advise on certain matters, namely development) was a bad choice. India's policy of being "non-aligned', but soviet leaning was the better way.
There is no evidence that we could have extracted anything from America, as the assumption is they were willing to give.
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But US system based on capitalism can lead to higher development, and economy to rise than any other economic system...
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Don't confuse ideology from the tangible benifits a relation with other nations produces.
I mean, obviously hindsight is 20/20. Don't confuse my criticism of Pakistan (and it is of Pakistan) with America-bashing.
It's simply the case that if you compare India's relation with Russia over the past two decades, and Pakistan's servile relation with America over the same period, clearly India's got the better deal from Russia.
Re: US marines ‘massscred Iraqi civilians’
What do the actions of British contractors have to do with US Marines? Thats about like generalizing that all Muslims are terrorists.
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Yes, you are trying to justify the behaviour of US soldiers by defaming the other side.
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Links to where I said British contractors had something to do with US Marines?
Reading comprehension much? Learn to read.
I only said, " There is nice music in the background."
Re: US marines 'massscred Iraqi civilians'
So you don't have the balls to do anything beyond insinuating?
Frikkin' terrorist.....
Re: US marines ‘massscred Iraqi civilians’
How shocking indeed…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6496898/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm
Americans can’t kill such people in cold blood? They follow the laws of war…Killing, bombing and destroying entire cities is out of the question and so is killing people in the thousands…
I talked to a guy today who served in the Vietnam war…His platoon reached a village of farmers in Vietnam…
The villagers greeted the marines with smiles and open gestures…The captain of the platoon ordered the men, women and children to start digging a huge hole…After the hole had been dug, the captain told all the villagers to go inside the hole…There were 117 villagers in all…After the villagers got into the hole, the captain ordered the platoon to open fire on them…
The man I talked to refused and was court martialed for insubordination…However, after witnesses confirmed what happened, it was the captain that got reprimanded and the man I talked to was set free…
117 innocent villagers, men, women and children lie dead today in a hole somewhere in Vietnam all because their crime was that they did nothing…
Then of course there was the ear collections…Scalps and other wonderful trophies that liberators and purveyours of peace collected…
But that was Vietnam…How can Americans do the same thing twice? Americans are the hope of humanity…And those 117 innocents in the hole will vouch for that…
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American are the hope of humanity my ass ..ha haa what a joke