Hi guys. Im currently in 11th grade at a public american high school. Im debating whether to do dental here in America or in Pakistan? I know a pakistani BDS is not recognized here so I will have to take an international admission to a dental school for 3 years. Is the NBDE hard? Is it difficult to get into an international program? What are some good dental schools in pakistan? Has anyone gone to pakistan for dental and then come bakc to America to work? Thanks!
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just buckle up and take DAT. Life would be so much easier
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i know a girl who did her BDS in Pakistan and returned to Canada. she is practicing here. i dunno what she had to do upon return here. i can find out and let you know.
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It is very very hard for dentists to move their job to another country. I would suggest to do it in America.
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I agree with everyone here. If you want to do dentistry, it is better to do it in the US. Dentist from foreign schools have a hard time in the US and you will end up paying for 2 or 3 years of school ( and it is not cheap ) while you try to qualify for a license.
Now if it were medical school, it might be better to do it in Pakistan from a school listed in the IMED ( https://imed.faimer.org/ ). You can generally start right after high school and like any medical grad, you will have to take USMLEs and do well in them.
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I know a woman that did her BDS in Pakistan and moved to the states, she makes like six figures now…
No, that’s not good at all; it’s getting very difficult for international medical graduates to find residency placements in the states even after get licensed…15 years ago it may have been easy, but not anymore…in fact it’s better to study dentistry in Pakistan than medicine…
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physicians in the US and Canada have monopolized in favor of their own MD's and united against foreign educated and trained doctors to keep them out.
the Canadian North needs a lot of doctors and the local grads don't want to go there so government pays 100% of a student's educational costs in exchange for their 3 years of services in those northern areas.
i think they should allow foreign doctors for their services in the north.
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No, that's not good at all; it's getting very difficult for international medical graduates to find residency placements in the states even after get licensed......15 years ago it may have been easy, but not anymore.....in fact it's better to study dentistry in Pakistan than medicine.....
Then my wife ( finished residency in 2007 ), her sister 1 ( finished in 2012 ) and her sister 2 ( started in 2014 ) were incredibly lucky. Two of my cousins that did BDS, had to pony up loans of about 170K to 220K just to get a DDS. Except for sister 2, they all are making six figures.
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physicians in the US and Canada have monopolized in favor of their own MD's and united against foreign educated and trained doctors to keep them out.
the Canadian North needs a lot of doctors and the local grads don't want to go there so government pays 100% of a student's educational costs in exchange for their 3 years of services in those northern areas.
i think they should allow foreign doctors for their services in the north.
This is true even in US. They band together as state Boards and function like cartels. They make sure laws that are passed are favorable to the practicing doctors/dentists and the supply remains low, salaries high.
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This is true even in US. They band together as state Boards and function like cartels. They make sure laws that are passed are favorable to the practicing doctors/dentists and the supply remains low, salaries high.
Not really a bad thing, unless taken to an extreme. Just look at the opposite of what is happening in IT. A general rumor is that there are no more qualified IT professionals in the US. So, they must be imported from overseas. While there is a shortage of expertise in certain areas, companies like Wipro and Infosys run their whole shops using these imported IT "workers" who get paid less then everyone else and bring the average salary down for everyone. These people are billed as "highly qualified" IT workers, yet majority of them do mundane low level IT tasks. Leave aside Google and Microsoft out of this, they are not really part of equation.
The argument for it is that well your skills should be improved to compete. How can anyone living in the US, paying US rents and expenses compete with someone whose main goal is to send money back to their motherland?
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Not really a bad thing, unless taken to an extreme. Just look at the opposite of what is happening in IT. A general rumor is that there are no more qualified IT professionals in the US. So, they must be imported from overseas. While there is a shortage of expertise in certain areas, companies like Wipro and Infosys run their whole shops using these imported IT "workers" who get paid less then everyone else and bring the average salary down for everyone. These people are billed as "highly qualified" IT workers, yet majority of them do mundane low level IT tasks. Leave aside Google and Microsoft out of this, they are not really part of equation.
The argument for it is that well your skills should be improved to compete. How can anyone living in the US, paying US rents and expenses compete with someone whose main goal is to send money back to their motherland?
Agreed the other extreme is bad also. There ought to be moderation in either scenario.
But IT is a particularly bad example to cite here. For one, the salaries are relatively high, at least above median income in the US. Secondly, there is a wide array of jobs when we talk about IT. The ones that do creative stuff, for eg., product development, game design, high technology, etc still get paid exceedingly well if its the right candidate, regardless of their visa status. Then there are ones that require routine work, like support, customer support, etc; Its easy to train people for these jobs and there are many people vying for these positions. It will naturally bring down the salaries. And even these depressed salaries are better than the average salary.
This whole salary debate will soon become mute, once these companies move their operations to India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe etc. There won't be any jobs here for Americans to compete for and complain about. Fortunately for doctors & dentists, it wont happen for another 20 years, if it does.
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physicians in the US and Canada have monopolized in favor of their own MD's and united against foreign educated and trained doctors to keep them out.
the Canadian North needs a lot of doctors and the local grads don't want to go there so government pays 100% of a student's educational costs in exchange for their 3 years of services in those northern areas.
i think they should allow foreign doctors for their services in the north.
I'm sorry KKF but your information couldn't be more wrong. Medical education is not covered by the provincial or the federal government. The student pays for it from their own pocket, or through loans, and as consequence incurs crazy amount of debt. Afterwards, the local students have the pick of the lot where they want to start their residency and which speciality. And they are under no obligation to the government to practice in a certain environment after finishing their residency. That is why there is a shortage of physicians in northern Ontario, and other rural areas of other provinces. They prefer to set up shop in bigger cities, where the hospitals have better facilities. IMGs are the ones however that fill in the gaps for the lack of doctors in these rural areas. Yes they are paid the same amount a local student is paid starting from PGY1, but when they start their residency program, they are required to sign a "Return of Service" agreement, which every province makes an IMG sign. According to the ROS, the IMG is obligated to spend no more than 1 year in a rural setting, for a total of 3-5 years, depending on the province, as a way to pay back the government for its services in training. Otherwise they have to pay the province, which can easily go up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ontario right now has the longest period of ROS, 5 years, whereas other provinces are max at 3 or 4.
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Perhaps he is talking about a program where the govt forgives your loan if you work in disadvantage areas. I know of such programs in the US, though I wonder like if you do 3 years instead of the stipulated 5, then how the y prorate your loan forgiveness?
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Don't do it in Pakistan. Go to college here like normal people, take the DATs and apply to dental schools in US. Trying to get through dental school in Pakistan is easy but your life will be way more complicated afterwards here in US.
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Waste of money as you will have to go back to school once you are in US.