US govt expects Musharraf to quit army post

Who can challenge uncle sam!

http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/22/top2.htm

WASHINGTON, March 21: The United States has said that it expects President Gen Pervez Musharraf to give up the army chief’s post by the end of this year, indicating a major change in the US policy.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told a briefing here that the US expected the current judicial crisis to be resolved “within the confines of Pakistani law” and in a ‘transparent’ manner that satisfied the people of the country.

“He has made certain commitments in this regard and we think it’s important that he follow through on those commitments,” said Mr McCormack when asked if it was the US government’s view that Gen Musharraf should leave the army post by the end of 2007 as scheduled.

The questioner had said that the dispute over Gen Musharraf’s desire to keep both the posts of army chief and that of president seemed to be the cause of the ongoing crisis. The spokesman offered no comments on the observation.

Instead, he described President Musharraf as a ‘good’ and ‘solid friend’ in fighting terrorism, and said the US was “not going to dictate to him or anybody else” on how he should follow through on his commitment to change Pakistan.

Mr McCormack, however, said the US could “offer guidance and counsel and encouragement” to help Pakistan move ahead on the pathway to democracy. Throughout the statement, the spokesman maintained a delicate balance, trying to appear not too intrusive while conveying the US position on the crisis.

“We ourselves, of course, encourage the continued democratic development of Pakistan. They are a close friend and a close ally in the war on terror. We believe that President Musharraf has made a commitment to change Pakistan and we think that is a positive thing,” Mr McCormack said. “We are not going to dictate to him or anybody else and the Pakistani people exactly what those changes are going to be or specific steps that they might need to take,” he said.

“Of course, we can offer guidance and counsel and encouragement to continue along the pathway to democracy. But President Musharraf is good, he has been a solid friend in fighting the war on terror,” Mr McCormack said.

When asked to comment on the resignation of one of the three deputy attorneys general in Pakistan, the official said: “That’s an individual decision of conscience that somebody has to take. Clearly, he has differences with the course of action. I know that President Musharraf has himself said that this might have been handled differently.”

He noted the issue was now before a panel of senior judges and President Musharraf had said that he would abide by the decisions of the Supreme Judicial Council. “And as it should be, we have stated before that it is important that whatever the resolution of this issue may be, that it takes place within the confines of Pakistani law, that it is done in a transparent manner so that all understand what exactly has transpired.”

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Does it get more shameful than this? Who the h*** is mccormak? some lowly spokesman in usa. why is it his or anyone is usa's business? nobody in Pakistan cares about these things. So he takes of his uniform because usa said so. Now what? USA is going to monitor his phone calls? he cannot give order to army in civvies? only reason mccormick and his likes such lowly minion make such statements is to show how much they can control.

what shame!

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Just another tactic to put pressure on Musharraf.

"Wardi" USA ka masla nahiN

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I fail to see where exactly is it written that US expects him to quit army post this year aside from Dawn’s own editorial bit in this story. All it says is that they think its important that Musharraf follow on his own commitmentthat he had expressed earlier.

and thenthere are different meanings of the word ‘expect’ also, it can be demand or it can be predict or estimate.

I expect democrats to win the white house in 2008. does that satement now mean that I dictate US elections? :slight_smile:

btw the statementthat US was not going to dictate how he should run the country means that Larry, More and curly..err hairy, Ho and girly..should stop yip yapping and licking western boots, whether they go on Fox, or CNN, right now there is no oe listening :slight_smile:

PS: and the questioner who observed that the crises was due to musharraf havign both roles…it says very clearly that this questioners statement was ignored…awwwww

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Bhai, why even bother with such idiotic news :)

First thing to ask is that:

Was it America that gave Uniform to President Musharraf that they can demand that he shed his uniform? [Actually, USA wanted that Musharraf shed his uniform since long time and it was with the blessing of USA that Nawaz went forward in his step to try changing army chief]

Well, was it American that brought President Musharraf into power that they can ask anything from him? [Actually, USA was warning Pakistan army since Kargil war, from staging any coop. After coop, USA did all to make life of Pakistan and Musharraf difficult, until 9/11, that happened two years after Musharraf came to power]

Truth is that, Pakistan is with USA, as government believes that it is best for Pakistan, that’s all. If Pakistan decides that they would like to change their camp, who could stop Pakistan anyhow? If America is giving some financial support to Pakistan (that is meagre compare to USA financial assistance and support to Zia), they are giving it for their own interest and would stop if they would not have any interest. They are not doing any favour to Pakistan.

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It is being reported that Pakistan Foreign Office Spokesperson, Mrs Tasneem Mirza has demanded that US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should resign. She explained that "Pakistan is very concerned that proper precedure was not followed in firing the 8 federal prosecutors and as the head of Justice Department, Mr Gonzales should accept responsibility and relinquish his post."

Also, the Foreign Office Spokesperson has requested Mr John Edwards to withdraw from the US Presidential race "to care and support his wife, whose cancer has returned". The Spokesperson added tha "Pakistan views its relationship with the United States as very important and want to ensure the most capable person is elected to the office of President. While we do not interfere in the affairs of another country, we sincerely believe that Mr Edwards should devote this time to be with his wife and family".

Pakistan's Foreign Office Spokesperson had some other ideas about United States and these will be part of a future news release.

US Foreign Office has not responded to repeated telephone calls from this news agency seeking a response on Pakistani Foreign Office Spokesperson's comments. Our sources tell us that US Foreign Office is stunned and most people have collapsed from utter "shock and awe" at Pakistani statements.

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hahaah faisal leave it to you to put thigs in perspective. well done

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Another great piece by our staff reporter Faisal.

Wait, he was joking. I'm sorry.

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^ Musharaf expects US army to take over

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Some poster's fail to realise how much control US has over Pakistan, fair or not.

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The tide has turned against Mush, in Pakistan, and the US
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\23\story_23-3-2007_pg1_10

Musharraf’s image sinks in US press

WASHINGTON: What had increasingly become a media campaign against Pakistan’s “inadequate” cooperation in dealing with the resurgent Taliban has now turned into a broadside against President Pervez Musharraf’s rule, triggered by his removal of Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

In the last two weeks, the Pakistani leader, who was generally well regarded by the US media, has been portrayed as another old style power hungry Third World military ruler who is determined to stay in office regardless of what he has to do to ensure that, including summarily dismissing the holder of the highest judicial office in the land. Gen Musharraf, who always conveyed the impression of being a strong and resolute leader who called the shots and took all decisions that matter, suddenly looks vulnerable. With protests continuing in the streets and spreading well beyond the legal community, Gen Musharraf is no longer being seen by the American media as a leader whose writ runs any more effectively in the cities and towns of Pakistan than it does in Waziristan.

Some idea of what has been appearing in the American press since the judicial crisis erupted on March 9, can be had from what follows. Ahmed Rashid, author of the much-read book on the Taliban, wrote in the Washington Post on Thursday that Musharraf was now a “lame duck,” unable to rein in Talibanisation in Pakistan or guide the country towards a more democratic future. The president’s desire to replace Justice Chaudhry with a “more pliable” judge has “badly backfired”.

An LA Times report on March 20 said that critics called Justice Chaudhry’s suspension “a blatant interference with the judiciary for political purposes,” an allegation Gen Musharraf has denied, “but the ensuing outcry has spiralled into one of the most serious political challenges to face the Pakistani leader since he took power”. In a March 17 report, the newspaper called Justice Chaudhry a “thorn” in Gen Musharraf’s side for years, noting the “outrage” over his sacking had spread countrywide.

The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and The Christian Science Monitor have all run reports of the unrest in Pakistan that have dented Gen Musharraf’s image beyond repair if the situation does not come to an amicable conclusion. The Washington Post quoted Ejaz Haider of Daily Times who said, “People are starting to deeply resent this idea that he is the only one who knows what is right for Pakistan. Are the rest of us 160 million bloody idiots?”

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Depends if BB or NS return to power once again in the elections :)

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oh man, pakistani journalists…okay so the title is “Musharraf’s image sinks in US press” now lets see how the support their headline.

1)Ahmed Rashid, author of the much-read book on the Taliban, wrote in the Washington Post on Thursday that Musharraf was now a “lame duck,” unable to rein in Talibanisation in Pakistan or guide the country towards a more democratic future. The president’s desire to replace Justice Chaudhry with a “more pliable” judge has “badly backfired

Okay, its Ahmed Rashid… not widely regarded as an american journalist by any means, but a desi one. but okay..so ahmed rashid wrote something on thursday in washington post.

now lets se what else they have.

  1. An LA Times report on March 20 said that critics called Justice Chaudhry’s suspension “a blatant interference with the judiciary for political purposes

here LA times is just reporting what the critics are saying.

  1. In a March 17 report, the newspaper called Justice Chaudhry a “thorn” in Gen Musharraf’s side for years, noting the “outrage” over his sacking had spread countrywide

so they reported that CJ was a paina nd unrest had spread..okay fine

  1. The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and The Christian Science Monitor have all run reports of the unrest in Pakistan that have dented Gen Musharraf’s image beyond repair if the situation does not come to an amicable conclusion

Now here the reports must not have been strong enough or provide much of a fodder for this journlaist to quote from there. And then its his own assumption that the image is dented beyond repair. we all read reports back in 99, and we all read reports right after 9/11 and we allr ead reports all after 7/7. Wishful thinking on his part is not a fact. Major stories go away from US press in a matter of days and then ppl ust forget about it, wait till brittney overdoses or something..

  1. Washington Post quoted Ejaz Haider of Daily Times who said, “People are starting to deeply resent this idea that he is the only one who knows what is right for Pakistan. Are the rest of us 160 million bloody idiots?"

hahaha man this is ridiculous, daily times quoting washington post quoting daily times…seems liek washington post was reporting what the oinion of a daily times reporter was. Then daily times turns around and quotes wash post quoting the daily times journalist as some proof that US media is saying the Musharraf is this or that.

Lastly, its pretty cheap of daily times to only cherry pick the quotes or excreprts that support their stance. You read the same articles and if you want you can pull up other quotes and statements that suggest that Musharraf is critical for Pakistan.

and as far as Ejaz haider’s question abouit whether there are 160M idiots, I dunno ejaz sahab…but I know of atleast one…congratulations :wink:

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Khurshid Kasuri has issued some statement that Pakistan decides its internal matters according to its own requirements.

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Further report’s on the tide turning against Mush, clock is ticking…

Closer to the endgame?

Full article: http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/24/op.htm

Consequently, there was little debate in western capitals on how and when the regime should be encouraged to transfer power to genuinely elected representatives. Now for the first time, there appears to be evidence of re-thinking, though still tentative, that the western powers and, in particular, the US, may be beginning to understand the risk in standing by the current political dispensation.

In fact, since early this year, the sentiments being expressed by senior US officials, as well as influential legislators, have been exceedingly critical of the government. The refrain has been that Islamabad should “do more” on the war on terror as well as improve its performance on issues such as democracy, human rights, etc. In both Houses of Congress, bills have been passed that call upon the administration to reduce the aid package to Pakistan, or make it contingent on the fulfilment of certain conditions.

These misgivings in Congress notwithstanding, Islamabad insisted that President Bush and senior members of his team remained committed to Musharraf as the only option available to Pakistan. It was argued that the US felt very comfortable working with the current leadership. After all, it had proven itself both efficient and willing to do Washington’s bidding.

It was also the view that the US intelligence and security agencies appreciated that Musharraf had “the virtue of being a known quantity” and that “with Iraq spiralling out of control and an emboldened Iran flexing its muscles throughout the region, are not things complicated enough without taking a chance on a nuclear armed Muslim nation of 165 million people?”

It was therefore expected that Washington would say or do nothing to weaken Musharraf, though it would, of course, maintain pressure on Islamabad, to extract the maximum from it on issues close to its heart. Nevertheless, recent pronouncements from Washington indicate a perceptible shift in US thinking.

This is borne out by the latest observations of senior CIA officials who have dismissed the possibility of extremists coming to power any time soon, Robert Richer, who was associate director of operations for the CIA, told The New York Times recently, that there was recognition now that “this fear within Washington that Islamic extremism has been a dominant force in Pakistan, has been started in part by Musharraf himself”. More significantly, he indicated that “the succession plan has the seal of approval from the agency”. Does this mean that “other options” are already under consideration?

The media in the West is also slowly coming to grips with the fact that Pakistan’s strong man may be faltering and that he may be facing his severest crisis since seizing power from an elected civilian government some seven years ago. Britain’s prestigious daily The Times was the first to come out with the advice that as “a good general always knows when to retreat”, Musharraf should prove himself a good general “as Pakistan is literally without the rule of law”, after the Chief Justice’s removal.

The advice was particularly sombre as the newspaper had been a vocal supporter of the president. It also accused Musharraf “of showing little enthusiasm for returning Pakistan, as promised, to democratically elected government”. The paper went on to charge that the government stood “accused on all sides of tampering with the independence of the judiciary, a particularly sensitive issue in Pakistan, where judges have been held in high esteem as they are perceived to be the only bulwark against dictatorship and civilian misrule alike”.

It may have been a mere coincidence, but US Assistant Secretary Richard Boucher’s short visit to Islamabad at this time became the occasion for considerable speculation. He denied that it had anything to do with the judicial crisis, but did point out that the US understood “the sensitivity of accusations and this needs to be handled very carefully”.

Boucher’s attempt to be “diplomatic” in his remarks, was, however, noted by The Washington Post, which severely criticised the administration for its support for the “military ruler”. At the same time, it chided Boucher for having said in Islamabad that Musharraf was leading Pakistan towards being “a moderate, stable, democratic Muslim state”.

The Post claimed that far from leading Pakistan towards democracy, Musharraf was dismantling liberal and secular institutions in the country already threatened by Islamic extremism. Finally, it asked why Bush believed that its support for Musharraf would change him. A couple of days later, The Los Angeles Times too charged that it was “short-sighted in the extreme” of the Bush administration not “to distance itself from Musharraf, or to at least express disapproval of his behaviour”.

It was no less significant that the EU Troika Heads of Mission in Islamabad decided to make an official demarche at the foreign office on March 19 to express their concern with developments relating to the Chief Justice. The demarche caught the government off-guard, for it expected the EU to stay away from the fray. Later, the EU issued a statement that said that “the Troika had stressed the importance the EU attaches to the respect and independence of the judiciary, especially in view of the upcoming election process”.

The foreign office may take umbrage at this but it knows well that when we were pleading for the EU parliament’s ratification of the Third Generation Agreement, we committed ourselves to being a functioning democracy.

The prestigious Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) also decided to come out with a special commentary on Pakistan. It claimed that recent developments had “shaken the aura of invincibility that Musharraf has enjoyed until now” and warned that “when the political trends shift in Pakistan, they generally go down by sharp and unexpected steps…”

Stratfor, a private intelligence firm with close ties to US security agencies, too stepped in with the warning that “Musharraf might not be the only casualty of this crisis; the military’s hold on power could be weakened once the dust settles”.

Whatever doubts there may have been on this score were removed when a US State Department spokesman hinted that the US expected Musharraf to give up the army chief post by the end of the year. Indicating a shift in policy, the spokesman emphasised that the US expected the current judicial crisis “to be resolved within the confines of Pakistani law” and in a “transparent” manner.

Since this represented a change from current US policy, the spokesman had to engage in a skilful balancing act, calling the president a “solid friend” and insisting that the US was “not going to dictate to him or to anybody else on how we should follow through on his commitment to democracy.” He added that the US was prepared “to offer guidance and counsel and encouragement to continue along the pathway of democracy”.

Given the blanket support that the Bush administration has always provided to the regime and its willingness to disregard its transgressions, the spokesman’s remarks caused an understandable stir in Pakistani political circles.

The question now being asked is whether the US has taken a fundamental decision to gently nudge Musharraf to give up his position as army chief, which is his real source of power. If so, it would not be the first time that the US would be abandoning a “friend”, when no longer required. But if it were to encourage the return to Pakistan of a genuinely elected democratic government, it would do itself a favour and earn the goodwill of the people of this country.

***The writer is a former ambassador. ***

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the sad thing is that Pakistanis cant do anything properly, naqal kay liye bhi aqal chahiye and if our media is going to try to be spin-meisters liek fox news, they should atleast learn to do it properly.

but hey, we have expertise in twisting god's word to suit our purposes, how tough is it to cherry pick segments of statements by US officials and use that to make these spinmeisters case.

I dont have time to shred this article like I did the last one to show fallacies, leaps of faith, and trying to hoodwink the reader, but just read it wit an open mind and you will see the games.

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Farid Bhaijan, at least twice a year for the past 4 years, US has been making statements about asking President Musharaf to give up the uniform. Please do not read too much into this.

President Musharaf (in uniform) is still the best bet to fight and defeat the terrorists that have plagued Pakistan. Defeating terrorism is of greater importance to Pakistan and the World than whether President Musharaf wears a uniform or not. The US will continue to make non-committal statements about the uniform to keep looterays and bhagorays supporters quiet.

It is about time looterays and bhagorays for once stop thinking about Kursi/power and do something positive to help Pakistan come out of the grip of terrorism. I hope they let Musharaf do his job. He, with the help of the West can achieve these goals.

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Waisay mush nay decide kia kay qabar mein konsi wardi pehn kar uttray ga?...woh commandoN wali, farishtoN ko darranay kay liyain ya phir momar ghhaddafi banana republics kay dictatoroN wali...

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CheGuvera,

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FARID

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lets see what other martial law foks did..Zia was blown to smithreens so guess the point about whathe wore to te grave is moot. ayub and yahya were way before my time.

so bhutto..

what wardi did our only civilian martial law administrator wear to his grave? I have a hunch it was a turtleneck.