US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

**US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed **
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 25 September 2005

US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand. As a result the US is having to import supplies from Israel.

A government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year. The total has more than doubled in five years, largely as a result of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as changes in military doctrine.

“The Department of Defense’s increased requirements for small- and medium-calibre ammunitions have largely been driven by increased weapons training requirements, dictated by the army’s transformation to a more self-sustaining and lethal force - which was accelerated after the attacks of 11 September, 2001 - and by the deployment of forces to conduct recent US military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq,” said the report by the General Accounting Office (GAO).

Estimating how many bullets US forces have expended for every insurgent killed is not a simple or precisely scientific matter. The former head of US forces in Iraq, General Tommy Franks, famously claimed that his forces “don’t do body counts”.

But senior officers have recently claimed “great successes” in Iraq, based on counting the bodies of insurgents killed. Maj-Gen Rick Lynch, the top US military spokesman in Iraq, said 1,534 insurgents had been seized or killed in a recent operation in the west of Baghdad. Other estimates from military officials suggest that at least 20,000 insurgents have been killed in President George Bush’s “war on terror”.

John Pike, director of the Washington military research group GlobalSecurity.org, said that, based on the GAO’s figures, US forces had expended around six billion bullets between 2002 and 2005. “How many evil-doers have we sent to their maker using bullets rather than bombs? I don’t know,” he said.

“If they don’t do body counts, how can I? But using these figures it works out at around 300,000 bullets per insurgent. Let’s round that down to 250,000 so that we are underestimating.”

Pointing out that officials say many of these bullets have been used for training purposes, he said: “What are you training for? To kill insurgents.”

Kathy Kelly, a spokeswoman for the peace group Voices in the Wilderness, said Mr Bush believed security for the American people could come only from the use of force. Truer security would be achieved if the US developed fairer relations with other countries and was not involved in the occupation of Iraq. The President, said Ms Kelly, should learn from Israel’s experience of “occupying the Palestinians” rather than buying its ammunition.

The GAO report notes that the three government-owned, contractor-operated plants that produce small- and medium-calibre ammunition were built in 1941.

Though millions of dollars have been spent on upgrading the facilities, they remain unable to meet current munitions needs in their current state. “The government-owned plant producing small-calibre ammunition cannot meet the increased requirements, even with modernisation efforts,” said the report.

“Also, commercial producers within the national technology and industrial base have not had the capacity to meet these requirements. As a result, the Department of Defense had to rely at least in part on foreign commercial producers to meet its small-calibre ammunition needs.”

A report in Manufacturing & Technology News said that the Pentagon eventually found two producers capable of meeting its requirements. One of these was the US firm Olin-Winchester.

The other was Israel Military Industries, an Israeli ammunition manufacturer linked to the Israeli government, which produces the bulk of weapons and ordnance for the Israeli Defence Force.

*The Pentagon reportedly bought 313 million rounds of 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 50-calibre ammunition last year and paid $10m (about £5.5m) more than it would have cost for it to produce the ammunition at its own facilities. *

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

this article made me laugh, they dont do the body count but they KNOW they killed “20,000 insurgents”. This explains the high number of civilian casualities in Iraq.

250,000 bullets per insurgent :hehe:

P.S 300,000 bullets (the actual est) rounded off gives 250,000 bullets per Iraqi oops i mean “insurgent”… sounds better

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Anyone know who produces AK47 ammo for the insurgents?
Russia? Chinese maybe?

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

here’s the link
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Ahh. So the issue is that these stupid jihadis are now dying with ammo made by jews?

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

IG imagine yourself as an American soldier in a desert. You see an insurgent at a distance of 3 miles from you and there is no one else but you and him in this big desert. So you pull out your machine gun and start shooting like a crazy. Luckily you are able to get him on the 300,00thbullet! There is absolutely nothing wrong with the scenario provided the guy you killed WAS an insurgent.

But in Iraq we have not just a handful of insurgents but many innocent people. So if you start firing 300,000 bullets for every person you suspect to be an insurgent, you will end up killing more than just one insurgent. You will end up killing innocent children and women as well.

P.S Even if you were to fire 300,000 bullets into the air you would still end up injuring innocent ppl. Imagine 300,000 hot metal pieces falling off the sky and millions of innocent Iraqis underneath.

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Namaste & Salaam!

The simpler explanation would be that it's cheaper to ship ammo from Israel to Iraq than from the US.

Bye

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

Ahh OK Sugar. I see what you mean. Yeah then this article sounds like they are just spraying and praying. Bad tactics, I agree.

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

could we just send an invitiation to the terrorists for some big super duper secret meeting in the middle of the desert and just drop a daisy cutter on them, spares the lives of our troops out there as well as civilians.

too bad that cant happen so we have to live with the fact that civilian causalties will happen, yet we also have to make sure that they are minimized.

Re: US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for every rebel killed

250,000 bullets to kill one resistance fighter wow can you imagine how many innocent civillians the terrorist amerikkkans killed in the process totally disgusting!