US continues to dodge India's UNSC demands

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The US will support Japan, but not India, and Natwar comes back all empty handed as well.

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US continues to dodge India’s UNSC demands

The United States and India pledged on Thursday to boost their strategic ties and launch senior-level talks on energy cooperation, including the use of civilian nuclear power. But Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh appeared to come away from a day of talks here without specific US support for New Delhi’s long-cherished goal of a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Singh met with President George W Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ahead of a planned visit here by Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in July and a Bush trip to India sometime later. Rice, who traveled to New Delhi last month, said the discussions on Thursday were part of a continuing “strategic dialogue” between the United States and the world’s most populous democracy. “It is very important that the US-India relationship continues to grow as we recognize the growing importance of India as a global factor,” Rice told a news conference. “This is a development we very much welcome.” Washington has been discussing the growing energy needs of the South Asian nuclear arms power,… but a proposed pipeline to bring in gas from Iran has been the target of mounting US criticism.

Still, Rice signaled in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that the Americans were not ready to sell nuclear reactor technology to the Indians. “We’re not there, that is not the case,” she said. “We have agreed with the Indians that we can talk about a variety of energy sources but obviously there are NPT (nuclear non-proliferation treaty) implications that are quite serious about civilian nuclear power in India,” she said. One unresolved political issue appeared to be India’s eagerness for a seat on the UN Security Council if and when it is expanded from its current 15 members as part of sweeping reforms urged for the world body. Singh, who was on a three-day US visit, reiterated New Delhi’s position: “By any criteria that you apply, India qualifies for a seat in the expanded council as a permanent member.” **But Rice, whose country supports Japan’s drive for council membership, was non-committal about India, saying only, “We believe UN Security Council reform needs to take place in the context of broader UN reform.” “It is my hope that we can do this in a way that builds consensus in the international community … because what we do not need is acrimony as we try to move forward,” she said. **

Singh’s visit came less than three weeks after US officials announced their intention to help make India a “major world power”… as part of a new strategy to boost ties to New Delhi and its rival Pakistan. US officials said Washington was willing to work with New Delhi in defense co-production and technology licensing, and covering areas such as command and control, early warning systems and missile defense. Sales of F-16 fighters jets to Pakistan were announced at the same time, producing grumbles from India. But there was no public discussion of the issue Thursday. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Singh’s meeting with Bush focused on economic and energy matters and bilateral strategic cooperation. “We’re going to be continuing to talk about some of the dialogue that we’re having on issues like energy. And I think you’ll be hearing more on that from the State Department and others as we move forward,” McClellan said.

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who cares what the Americans say! Jobs and investiment are flooding to India and we will overtake the USA very soon.

nain....
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Kick this Natwar out.. he is so old and i saw him sitting with Bush.. he looked even more dump than Bush himself…:eek:

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*Still, Rice signaled in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that the Americans were not ready to sell nuclear reactor technology to the Indians. *

NO UNSC seat for India.

NO nuclear reactor for India.

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Nonsence - India WILL be part of the UNSC.

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BRIDAL PICS.
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After 10 years of fruitless efforts, India is so desperate to get onto the UNSC that it has now dropped it’s request for veto power. But first the US refuses to support any permannent Indian membership (but it will support Japan), and now China and Russia are opposing Indian ambitions as well.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050610a1.htm

‘Group of Four’ drop UNSC veto demand

Japan, Brazil, Germany and India have proposed a 15-year freeze on veto powers for new permanent members of the U.N. Security Council as part of a revised version of its draft resolution to expand the council, diplomats and governments said Wednesday. The so-called Group of Four has been campaigning vigorously to become permanent members of the U.N.'s most powerful body, but were forced to back down in the face of opposition from a number of countries, including some of the current permanent members with veto power. But China, one of the five permanent members, expressed strong opposition to the revised proposal Thursday, saying the latest changes do not make the plan acceptable for Beijing. The four nations circulated a resolution that would increase the Security Council from 15 to 25 members, including six new permanent seats – with four going to them and the other two to African nations. In a letter to the 191 U.N. member states, ambassadors from the Group of Four said that, during extensive consultations after their initial draft was circulated May 16, it became clear that giving new permanent members the same veto power as the five existing permanent members was a major issue. Their revised draft would delay consideration of veto power for new permanent members until a review of the expanded council takes place 15 years after the resolution comes into force.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Thursday in Tokyo he hopes the latest version of a draft resolution on U.N. reform by Japan and the three other countries will draw support from as many nations as possible. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told reporters the four countries revised the draft while taking into account the different views of other countries. But whether that happens remains one of the most hotly debated questions in U.N. corridors. “We believe that member states should continue democratic consultations to find a solution that accommodates the interests of all parties . . . rather than having revisions or modifications on a highly divisive proposal,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said at a regular press briefing in Beijing. “The action by a few countries to force through an immature proposal has derailed U.N. Security Council reforms and gravely undermined any potential progress of U.N. reform. China expresses worries about this and firmly opposes the practice by those countries.”

After 10 years of seemingly endless debate, Secretary General Kofi Annan told U.N. member states in March that he wants a decision on council expansion before September, when he has invited world leaders to a summit to consider a major reform of the U.N. so it can deal with the challenges of the 21st century. Annan suggested that if consensus wasn’t possible, the General Assembly president should consider calling a vote, which would have to take place this summer. With that timetable in mind, the rhetoric and lobbying in capitals around the world has escalated. In their letter, Brazil, Germany, India and Japan appealed for “active support and cooperation” for their revised draft resolution. “Time is now ripe to take a decision on this long pending issue, thus paving the way for a successful outcome of the Millennium Review Summit in September 2005,” they said. Opponents of the Group of Four also favor expanding the council from 15 to 25 members, but oppose creating any new permanent members. They want 20 nonpermanent members to face periodic election by the General Assembly, which they argue is more transparent and democratic. Supporters of this approach include Algeria, Argentina, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Italy, Kenya, Mexico, Pakistan, Qatar, South Korea, Spain and Turkey.

Chinese Ambassador to the U.N. Wang Guangya, who is sympathetic to this approach, warned last week that it would be “very dangerous” for the Group of Four to call for a vote on their resolution because the move could “split the house” and derail the larger U.N. reform proposal. Foreign ministers and ambassadors from the five veto-wielding permanent nations currently on the council have meanwhile been exchanging views on council reform. Wang said Tuesday the five permanent members feel they are being rushed and need more time to address the divisive issue. Council diplomats said China has urged the other four members not to cosponsor the Group of Four resolution – but immediately after the revised draft was circulated Wednesday, French Ambassador to the U.N. Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said his country would be a cosponsor. Britain is also expected to cosponsor. The U.S. has supported a permanent seat for Japan, but not for Germany, and appears wary of an unwieldy 25-member council. Diplomats said Russia is more likely to go along with the U.S. and China. The Group of Four’s resolution and any subsequent election of new members would need the approval of two-thirds of the 191 member states. Some supporters of the Group of Four say they have more than the 128 votes needed for approval. But backers of Uniting for Consensus say about 80 countries support their position. That adds up to more than the U.N. membership. Even if the initial resolution is approved, the most difficult step is a final resolution to change the U.N. Charter, which not only requires a two-thirds vote in the General Assembly but also the approval of the five permanent Security Council members. China’s Wang said last week that the country’s legislature would likely have difficulty approving the Charter change.

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without veto its not worth the paper its written on and veto is somthing P5 will never agree to.

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Firstly India will never be a permanent member. A charter amendment requires 2/3 of the countries to vote in favour of the amendment in the GA. Then it requires 2/3s of the UN membership to ratify it and accept it. If any of the P5 say no. It will not be accepted. So if China, UK, Russia, France or the US say no then it is done. No more expansiion. No nothing.

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More bad news for India’s ambitions for any sort of UN seat.

Pakistan, China agree to coordinate efforts on UN reform

Pakistan and China on Wednesday agreed to coordinate efforts to bring about a more democratic, inclusive and effective reform in the United Nations. During a meeting between Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri and Chinese Deputy Prime Minister Zeng Peiyan, who is leading the Chinese delegation to the second South Summit in Doha, it was decided that all issues related to the UN reform should come up before the heads of state’s meeting in September at the UN headquarters in New York. Kasuri and Zeng discussed the UN reform and agreed to coordinate efforts to promote a consensus-driven and holistic reform of the UN. They felt that the UN reform was far too important a matter to put artificial deadlines for concluding it. On the sidelines of the summit, Foreign Minister Kasuri also met the Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa with whom he had in-depth exchange of views on the latest developments concerning the reform of the UN and expansion of Security Council. There was convergence on the viewpoint that any formula which envisaged exclusion of Muslim representation will not be acceptable to the OIC. Therefore, there was a need to work towards developing a formula, which gave adequate representation to the OIC countries. In his meeting with Afghanistan’s Vice-President Ahmad Zia Masood, Foreign Minister Kasuri discussed matters of bilateral interest and the question of UN Security Council reform. Kasuri reiterated Pakistan’s support to the efforts of President Hamid Karzai for national reconciliation and development.

Recalling Pakistan’s assistance in organising the Afghan Presidential elections, he offered to extend similar assistance for the forthcoming parliamentary elections in September 2005. Kasuri reiterated Pakistan’s commitment to eradicating terrorism from Pakistan’s soil and expressed the resolve not to allow any one to use Pakistani soil to create instability elsewhere. The two sides expressed satisfaction on the upsurge in bilateral trade which is expected to exceed one billion US dollars this year. The two sides expressed the desire to enhance it further. During his meeting with Sri Lanka’s Foreign Minister Laxman Kadirgammar, Kasuri and Kadirgammar expressed satisfaction at the fact that the dates had been finalised for the Saarc summit. They agreed that Saarc needed to be more effective and felt that Saarc countries could gain immensely by expanding regional cooperation.

Kasuri also met the foreign minister of South Africa. The two ministers agreed to upgrade the bilateral relations and enhance cooperation in various fields. They also exchanged views on the latest developments with regard to Security Council expansion. Kasuri invited his South African counterpart to visit Pakistan who gladly accepted the invitation. Dates for the visit will be fixed through diplomatic channels. During Kasuri’a meeting with his counterparts from Niger and Senegal, the two ministers exchanged views on the question of the reforms of the Security Council. The ministers from African countries informed Kasuri that within the African Union, in their forthcoming meeting to be held in Libya, the organisation was expected to formulate its own position on the issue for which consultations on this question were continuing. Kasuri, who is leading the Pakistan delegation at the second South Summit, is expected to continue his meetings with other heads of delegations in the coming days on matters of bilateral and reform of the UN Security Council.

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Pakistan and China on Wednesday agreed to coordinate efforts to bring about a more democratic, inclusive and effective reform in the United Nations.

I suppose as long as those efforts don't bring about more democratic and inclusive reform in their own countries?

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if india have veto power what it would do if sanctions imposed on iran ?
if you vote yes it will upset iran if no us will be upset.

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I don't know why India is trying to get America's support, it simply doesn't need it--not anymore.

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India has given up all hopes for veto power, so no fear of that.

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who cares:bukbuk::bukbuk::bukbuk:

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