US Congressman proposes US bombing raid on Mecca mosque

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The problem with democracy is that is that it empowers idiots, like this redneck, and the rednecks who form the majority of the voting population of Colorado that put him in power.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5148866,00.html

A Colorado congressman told a radio show host that the U.S. could ``take out’’ Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons.

Rep. Tom Tancredo made his remarks Friday on WFLA-AM in Orlando, Fla. His spokesman stressed he was only speaking hypothetically.

Talk show host Pat Campbell asked the Littleton Republican how the country should respond if terrorists struck several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.

``Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites,‘’ Tancredo answered.

``You’re talking about bombing Mecca,‘’ Campbell said.

``Yeah,‘’ Tancredo responded.

The congressman later said he was just throwing out some ideas'' and that an ultimate threat’’ might have to be met with an ``ultimate response.‘’

Spokesman Will Adams said Sunday the four-term congressman doesn’t support threatening holy Islamic sites but that Tancredo was grappling with the hypothetical situation of a terrorist strike deadlier than the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

``We have an enemy with no uniform, no state, who looks like you and me and only emerges right before an attack. How do we go after someone like that?‘’ Adams said.

``What is near and dear to them? They’re willing to sacrifice everything in this world for the next one. What is the pressure point that would deter them from their murderous impulses?‘’ he said.

Tancredo is known in the House for his tough stand on immigration and had a 100 percent rating last year from the American Conservative Union his votes and positions on issues. Mohammad Noorzai, coordinator of the Colorado Muslim Council and a native of Afghanistan, said Tancredo’s remarks were radical and unrepresentative but that people in Tancredo’s position need to watch their words when it comes to sacred religious sites and texts.

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making such comments could be a good deterrent

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^Deterrent to what????It is a recipe to a world war & destruction of whole world.....

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You mean the nuclear bombing of American cities is the destructive recipe.

Agreed.

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It doesn’t work. The last threat to attack Mecca and Medina was made by Renaud de Châtillon, who even sent out an expedition to do that in the 1100s. The Muslims at the time was not to be intimidated. Instead, it was to fight with more vigour.

Furthermore, at the end of the day, there is nothing at all in Mecca or Medina that cannot be rebuilt. It is not the structures themselves that are holy; rather it is the location.

None of the original structures from the time of the Prophet are left. Everything has been rebuilt extensively over time, even the current Kaaba is less than 100 years old, the previous one having been damaged and stucturally weakened by floods in the early 20th century. I believe that the oldest original building in Medina, for instance, used to be the train station built by the Ottomans in the late 1800s, until the Saudis took it down a few years ago.

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Mutually Assured Destruction was the tactic that prevented nuclear war with Russia. Why would this not work? Might energize sit-on-the-fence moderate Muslims to turn in their radical brothers.

tariqlkhan, General Forum and Shaitaan - An analytical research on the subject
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Wishful thinking. This is far more likely to cause a closing of ranks with them. Hostil action against things of mutual concern always drive a closing of ranks against an exterior threat.

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Nowadays it’s a common rant of the western media pundits and politicians that “moderate Muslims” should assume a guilt by association. Also the racist westerners lable those radicals “brothers” of the “moderate Muslims”. What these racists don’t know is that lot of 'modetrate Muslims" don’t really practise the religion. Many of these “modeate Muslims” dont even go to mosques let alone know other Muslims.

Muslims these days are open game and easier target for finger pointing and blame fixing. In the absence of the ever-elusive bad guys, the closest thing in sight are the “moderate Muslims” and hence media and racists of the western world turn on them to do something or blame them for not doing enough. This strategy also benefits the “special interest” groups who have a vested interest in labelling the all Muslims as a blood thirsty, terrorists.

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what a loser...just because of some terrorists, he can think about bombing the holiest site for all muslims..instead of finding solutions for this problem..this person will just make more people hate america..how can ppl with such high positions talk like idiots?

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Dumbass politicians: En-dangering Specie, commonly found in democracies. Eating disorder habits, lives in their tiny narrow minded fascist worlds and is considered to be a royal pain in the ass.

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His comments are unacceptable, he should step down.

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nikhil :D stop playin with our emotions bro. Mr tancredo is trying to sound provocative to improve his political career. US is not stupid enough to even take this guy seriously.

tariqlkhan, General Forum and Shaitaan - An analytical research on the subject
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lol…bhai, i have never even heard of Tancredo ji. He is a nobody with no power. to take his comments seriously is a joke in itself.

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what you are saying about replaceability and such may be true , but you are ignoring the basic idea of such a deterrent.

if extremist Muslims believe that if they launch a nuclear attack against the US, they will also be destroying their own holiest cities…then you are saying the very threat alone will make them even more determined to carry out this attack and guarantee the destruction of Mecca/Medina and the deaths of a huge amount of their Muslim brothers? i doubt it…they may boil with anger, but not much more. they know the US has the balls/pride/resources to act on its word. Of course, the US would never make this kind of statement, so this argument itself is moot.

granted, a lot of these extremists have adopted suicidal tendencies that render the threat of retaliation useless…however, in this case it wouldn’t be them that suffer…rather the people and places that they hold near and dear to them.

similarly (in terms of logic), i heard some Brit half-heartedly talking about having the UK officially declare that all family members of suicide bombers be tortured and hanged. Naturally, such a bomber wouldn’t care about threats if he will die anyways…but don’t you think he would think twice if he knew Ammi and Abbu would get their necks snapped as a result of his actions?

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great idea, then you make all 1 billion your enemy

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Not only that I am appalled by such suggestions, I do not think it is actually going to work. I have read somewhere that such threats have already been made & some in US defense & state department believe it is because of these threats that there hasn't been a terror attack on US soil. Though it is only their opinion.

For educational purposes of those who might read this thread; it is almost a fundamental faith of Muslims that Holy Kaba cannot be destroyed. The common explanation of Surah Al-Fil that talks about the destruction of 'Companions of the Elephant' is generally attributed to a warlord Abraha who attacked Holy Kaba and was destroyed with pelage & disease ruining his troops before they could even make it to the Kabba.

Here I do want to point out that Jews also believed the same about their temple in Jerusalem but it didn't last. So, Allah also punishes those who digress from His path even if He considered them His chosen people before.

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^ as silly as this stupid threat is, do you honestly think if it came down to it, US could't destroy it because Allah said it can't be destoryed. bhaijaan 5/6th of humanity could care less what allah says, and doesn't think what he says has any merit. It is out of sensitivities and goodwill towards other men and women why somthing like this should never happen. Not because allah said so.

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Maybe for ahmadies it is. The rest of us have seen the facts, that it was destroyed by the the Syrian army of the tyrant Yazid bin Muawiyyah in 683 AD, rebuilt by Abdullah Ibn Az-Zuhair in a different size and with a different structure as he believed the Prophet (pbuh) wanted it in that shape but never got the chance to rebuilt it in his lifetime.

It was destroyed again in 693AD and rebuilt by a local tyrant at the time, Al-JHajjaj Yusuf al-Thaqafi, in the shape shape theat the pagan Quraish originally built it. The Khalif later wanted to restore it to the shape Az-Zuhair had constructed it in, but was simply advised by Imam Malik that continually demolishing and rebuilding it was not respectful and that if he did then every ruler would want to do it later on.

The Kaaba was destroyed by floods in 1630 and the Ottoman Khalif ordered it rebuilt again.

And in 1996, the Saudi government took the kaaba completely apart and rebuilt it. The only materials reused were the stones in the walls.

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Maddy, when I say destroyed means void of existence forever. Do you think it is possible?

And PD Bhaijaan, does it really matter what I believe? It would if I could bully Allah into doing things (or not) that I want to do.

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Void of existence?

Even if you set off a nuke directly over it and vapourised it, the position of its existence is still known. It can be rebuilt by anyone in control of the land, and until then Muslims can still pray towards it location.

During the times when the kaaba was not in existence due to being destroyed, Muslims still prayed in that direction.

The only way to prevent its existence forever is to maintain an occupation force on the spot forever. Even then, Islam the faith in unaffected because we could continuing praying towards the spot it existed at.

And even if an occupation force is present, for the prophecy that the Kaaba will be destroyed as a sign of the Day of Judgement to come true, I would think that the defeat of the occupation for would be an inevitability because the kaaba would have to exist once more to be destroyed when the Day of Judgement came close.

From the case of Yazid’s seige, it’s clear to me that the Kaaba is not protected in anyway from military assault.

Assuming the hadiths about it being destroyed as a sign of the Day of Judgement is correct,