US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

talk about, ‘all are equal, but, some are more equal than others.’

chime!

dushi

October 26, 2006

( Sianews : actualités nationales)

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
2007, we’ll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
United States.

It doesn’t matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a “travel document”
that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
agency says “no” to a clearance request, or doesn’t answer the
request at all, you won’t be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
States.

Consider what might happen if you’re a U.S. passport holder on
assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
You can’t get on, because you don’t have permission from the HSA.
Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
“stateless persons” are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn’t like you, you’re
a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
right to travel is “a virtually unconditional personal right.” The
United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing “freedom of
travel.” So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can’t happen? Think again. It’s ALREADY happening. Earlier
this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
that didn’t allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
this list.

For more information on this proposed regulation, see http://
hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf.

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

so?

pakistan does the same thing.....

and so do a lot of other countries...

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

[quote=mercenary2k]
so?

pakistan does the same thing.....

How so ? Do u have the proof or just your wild imagination

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

have u ever been to Pakistan? or ever left Pakistan?

Because when you go through the Airport, like when I visit my relatives in Lahore, the custom officer types in your name in a database of potential terrorists and other criminals. That database from my understanding is linked to the ISI, and Interpol which compares your name to a list.

If you are cleared, you are oked to fly, if not you are pulled aside and a more through check is then done....

Kapish

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

Crazy! the world we live in, nuts!!

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

First, the word is spelled 'capische', not 'kapish'.

Second, in this case the request to travel are made in advance of travel and innocent people have a highter probability of not getting an answer because of bureaucratic mistakes. This issue further compounds problems for people who are on TSA's watch-list or no-fly list by MISTAKE! And, there are thousands of Muslims who have very common names and have found themselves on such list(s).

The USA is turning into a gulag for Muslims.

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

dont even have to google this one. the news cant be true. let me guess sianews is a left wing newscast. homeland security is DHS not SHA.

plus if the news were true it would be frontline CNN and be lit like a christmas tree.

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

Yes I go to Pakistan and I have not seen any custom officer typing no ** anywhere. They just check your passport for validity and stamp it.**

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

actually its Capisce… molto grazie..

capisce?

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

Good.
Thats called equality.
Why Muslims who are naturalized be treated differently than those who are not. I had already predicted this when they started fingerprinting everyone who was born in an Islamic country.
I think it is quite fair and justified.

Re: US citizens (naturalized) will also need security clearance

Well, Im sure all that happens too, but its actually the ECL (Exit Control List), which the military people maintain (not customs) and enforce to make sure loan defaulters and convicted people do not leave Pakistan.

As for this news item, I dont know, it sounds a little fishy to me... Btw lahore 981, where does it say this applies to 'muslim naturalized' citizens and not the non-muslims, assuming this article is geuine? Even that finger printing you talked about, people from the Islamic republic of Brazil have to get it done too :D