US Boost Pakistani Ties! :)

Yay this is great News:The US Secretary of State Colin Powell says Washington will elevate its military ties with Pakistan, making it a major ally outside of Nato.

If this happens it will be great, do you all understand what this means? This is really great news! mashallah!!!

He was talking in Islamabad ahead of talks with President Pervez Musharraf.

His visit coincides with renewed military action by Pakistan’s army against al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects and their supporters.

Troops and helicopter gun ships backed by fighter jets have been taking part in the operation.

Biggest operation

Mr Powell said the elevation of relations with the US was a reward for Pakistan’s unstinting efforts to hunt and find al-Qaeda suspects sheltering in Pakistan.

He paid tribute to its contribution to the fight against global terrorism, which correspondents say is unpopular with many people in Pakistan sympathetic to the Taleban and still hostile to the US.

The BBC’s Zaffar Abbas in Islamabad says the military action in the South Waziristan tribal region is the biggest operation against al-Qaeda and Taleban remnants for more than a year.

Officials say helicopter gun ships were assisting the ground forces on Thursday in clashes near the town of Wana, in which heavy arms were being used by both sides. Fighter jets have also been seen in the area.

Residents near the battle said they could hear artillery being fired by the government side and see columns of smoke snaking into the sky.

We will be making a notification to our Congress that will designate Pakistan as a ‘major non-NATO ally’

Colin Powell

The security forces gave a three hour notice to local residents early on Thursday morning to vacate their houses before hundreds of paramilitary and army troops moved into the area to take on armed militants believed to be hiding in the mountainous area.

In a separate development in north Waziristan, the amry says two of its soldiers were killed in a rocket attack in the remote Shawal area.

Mr Powell met President Pervez Musharraf for talks as the fighting took place.

Our correspondent says that the visit put the president in a difficult position, because he is widely perceived by opposition parties in the country as an American proxy who would never say no to a demand from the United States.

Before meeting General Musharraf, Mr Powell repeated Washington’s concerns over the nuclear proliferation network set up by the top Pakistani scientist, AQ Khan.

“Questions have arisen as to not only what Dr Khan and his associates might have been doing but was there any other knowledge within the government at the time it was happening,” Mr Powell said.

It is the biggest operation against al-Qaeda suspects for over a year

The Pakistan authorities have insisted Dr Khan was working on his own.

“I think this is a logical and proper question to ask and I am sure that Pakistani authorities would want it known as well,” Mr Powell said.

The talks with the Pakistani government also focused on Kashmir and the current peace efforts between India and Pakistan.

Mr Powell’s recommendation to the US Congress that it would designate Pakistan a “major non-Nato ally” would enable closer military co-operation between the two countries.

In effect, Pakistan now joins a club of 10 or so militarily most-favoured nations that include Israel, Egypt and Jordan among them.

It may make it easier for Islamabad to acquire the arms it needs to compete with India in conventional weapons.

‘Decisive’

A BBC correspondent in Peshawar, near the scene of the latest fighting, says that officials admit the possibility that a top al-Qaeda leader could be in the area because of the stiff resistance that has so far been met. “The government is going in for a decisive action,” a government official told Reuters news agency

Officials say that 24 suspects were killed in Tuesday’s fighting, but they were only able to recover bodies of two foreign men believed to be Chechens.

The authorities believe that foreign militants are still hiding in the semi autonomous tribal region that borders Afghanistan, and have launched the operation after local tribesmen refused to hand them over.

Over the past two years Pakistan has arrested around 570 al-Qaeda suspects, many of them in risky operations.

Pakistan is the third country of Mr Powell’s South Asian tour, following India and Afghanistan.

Link:BBC NEWS | South Asia | US boosts Pakistan military ties

For some reason the Indians are not happy by the elevated ties between Pakistan and the United States:-

India riled by US-Pakistan ties](BBC NEWS | South Asia | India riled by US-Pakistan ties)

^ Indians are probably upset why the heck is Pakistan sharing a border with Afghanistan (and consequently allowing Pak to become the blue-eyed boy of US). Talk about turning a lemon into lemonade.

THis is great news..i think it woul dbe great if Pakistan ups the defense spend to someting like 80% of GDP for new bombs and stuff…poor indians should just be happy with FII flows nearing $12B and $10B in offshoring revs.

Stupid INdians don’t they understand that they can have the economic benefits of an alliance with the US, military pittance like Phalcon through Israel and stuff, it means jack. The fact that US planes can bomb Pakistani soil is worth the price to pay for more tanks and siht. :jhanda:

Exactly…

Pakistan Zindabad! :slight_smile:

I think Matsui makes a valid point. What exactly will we gain by elevating military ties with the US? They get to sell us more equipment which we wouldn't need anyway if we weren't in an arms race with India?

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THis is great news..i think it woul dbe great if Pakistan ups the defense spend to someting like 80% of GDP for new bombs and stuff...poor indians should just be happy with FII flows nearing $12B and $10B in offshoring revs.
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Pakistan has offered a military budget freeze.. would the 'peaceful' Indians take them up on this offer?

Saying US has made Pakistan a special ally is misleading; the correct accretion would be that The Bush administration has made Mushraff & his administration a strong ally outside of NATO. On both sides the ties are among two administrations, not countries.

PA, India will not take up the offer as they eye their dream to become a super power. They might match up if China does.

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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Saying US has made Pakistan a special ally is misleading; the correct accretion would be that The Bush administration has made Mushraff & his administration a strong ally outside of NATO. On both sides the ties are among two administrations, not countries.

PA, India will not take up the offer as they eye their dream to become a super power. They might match up if China does.
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Would you care to look at the recent Senate Resolution? Atleast you should read up on the subject before opening your huge mouth and exposing people to your terrible helatosis!!!

Pakistan is now a key non-nato ally in asia! Note "Pakistan" not the pakistani Administration! So dream on!!!

Pakistan Zindabad!

This is just smoke and mirrors. The U.S. just uses Pakistan from time to time, when they need it. The U.S. has never stood by Pakistan. And why would they? Pakistan has nothing the U.S. really needs or makes the U.S. worried about anything. There is no oil in Pakistan, no U.S. companies have invested billions of dollars there or there is no sizeable Pakistani lobby or united community in the U.S. that could effect elections of any congress person (meaning nothings like the Jews or Blacks or Hispanics or NRA, you get the picture).

The U.S. will bolt the moment Al-Qaeda is flushed from the region and the threat in their mind is not there anymore. Then, things will go back to the way they were before. Even now, Pakistan is never called a strategic ally or no positive thing regarding Pakistan's stance on Kashmir is ever uttered by any U.S. high level official. Even a dumb Pakistani-American like me can figure out where Pakistan stands in the grand scheme of things compared to the U.S. relationship with India.

India is way ahead of Pakistan in this game. They have something the U.S. wants, and hence the results you see all over the news. Pakistan and primarily it's leaders, blew it for Pakistan, particularly in the 70s 80s and 90s. Sure sure, Pakistan made some atom bombs and some missiles. They might protect them for a while. But does anyone really think that they will protect them if say the U.S. decided Pakistan should be without them?

I still say, Pakistan better learn to live for itself only. Right now, Muslim countries harm one another more than they do good. Pakistan has only itself, its people. If we don't come together now and make changes in Pakistan such as education, law and order and crushing corruption, I am sad to say things will stay the same.

Only those countries succeed who work towards making their people number one. When a majority of Pakistani's want Pakistan to be stronger than their success, their bradari and their province; Pakistan will be on the right track. And, we won't need these declarations from the U.S. anymore. Heck the opposite will be true.

Just my 2 cents...

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This is just smoke and mirrors. The U.S. just uses Pakistan from time to time, when they need it. The U.S. has never stood by Pakistan. And why would they? Pakistan has nothing the U.S. really needs or makes the U.S. worried about anything. There is no oil in Pakistan, no U.S. companies have invested billions of dollars there or there is no sizeable Pakistani lobby or united community in the U.S. that could effect elections of any congress person (meaning nothings like the Jews or Blacks or Hispanics or NRA, you get the picture).

The U.S. will bolt the moment Al-Qaeda is flushed from the region and the threat in their mind is not there anymore. Then, things will go back to the way they were before. Even now, Pakistan is never called a strategic ally or no positive thing regarding Pakistan's stance on Kashmir is ever uttered by any U.S. high level official. Even a dumb Pakistani-American like me can figure out where Pakistan stands in the grand scheme of things compared to the U.S. relationship with India.

India is way ahead of Pakistan in this game. They have something the U.S. wants, and hence the results you see all over the news. Pakistan and primarily it's leaders, blew it for Pakistan, particularly in the 70s 80s and 90s. Sure sure, Pakistan made some atom bombs and some missiles. They might protect them for a while. But does anyone really think that they will protect them if say the U.S. decided Pakistan should be without them?

I still say, Pakistan better learn to live for itself only. Right now, Muslim countries harm one another more than they do good. Pakistan has only itself, its people. If we don't come together now and make changes in Pakistan such as education, law and order and crushing corruption, I am sad to say things will stay the same.

Only those countries succeed who work towards making their people number one. When a majority of Pakistani's want Pakistan to be stronger than their success, their bradari and their province; Pakistan will be on the right track. And, we won't need these declarations from the U.S. anymore. Heck the opposite will be true.

Just my 2 cents...
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Its better to be part of the bulldoser then the rocks on the other side!!!