Oh and by the way Imdud,
You’re right this is ‘No Vietnam’ …it’s much worse:
It took two years (Chota-3 actually) for US deaths to reach 324 in Vietnam. It passed that figure in seven months in Iraq
You seem very frustrated and angry to see your logic being shattered. Can't face facts so you make up imaginery figures of 10,000 limbless soldiers? You are talking about the same country that lost half a million soldiers in WWII alone and still won, don't forget that. This is not your mama jees army.
Yes yes choocha, your grand daddy won the war.
Now back to these hospital beds filling up, all these soldiers just got nasty colds?
17,000 troops in Vietnam during that time, most in advisory roles vs. 130,000 troops in Iraq actively patrolling. Do the math chota.
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Yes yes choocha, your grand daddy won the war.
Now back to these hospital beds filling up, all these soldiers just got nasty colds?
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You don't know much about war do you? Pakistan and India together lost more then 1,000 soliders fighting over some mountain tops, and America lost 400 taking over a whole country.
Keep repeating that mantra in time to the helicopter crashes it will soothe you.
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Keep repeating that mantra in time to the helicopter crashes it will soothe you.
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Still can't deal with the facts, so you have to come back with some useless one liner? Give it up.
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^ That's all considering no escalation and not taking into account the opening up a new front be it Syria or Iran.
Analyst in the Pentagon can of course do much more sophisticated calculations but the end result is still looking grim.
For all those who think no one should be cheering on these deaths....no one is cheering. Simply highlighting the futility of the US approach of bomb and invade now and think later.
You reap what you sow and it's harvest time baby.
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Indeed. Let us not forget how the same country that played a part in winning WW2 went onto be severly humiliated by the Chinese peoples army in North Korea, defeated in Vietnam, and chased out of Lebanon and Somalia.
But then again is the CIA itself not warning of increasing resistance/humiliation/defeat for the American's in Vietnam? :)
To be honest you wouldn't want to see America use tactics of WWII in today's world. As I recall that one ended with nuclear weapons.
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America lost 400 taking over a whole country.
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They've occupied it, but can't control it. Don't give credit where it isn't due. Let's hope the death toll rises for the US terrorists.
Again it's not just the death toll but the forgotten injured filling hospital beds from Kuwait to Germany to the US. A lot of these people die but are not included in the death toll figures released by CENTCOM. To keep sheep like Imdud salivating for more invasions.
I stopped believing what the media says about injuries, tolls, etc, after the Persian Gulf war. My father was there doing some contracting work in the Gulf during the war. The stuff he told us about was never mentioned in the news, neither did the figures match up. I was horrified at some of the things he told me. It was a sad day for me because I actually used to believe what I saw on CNN. Never again will I make that mistake. But then having studied politics myself, I am well aware of the need for yellow journalism, etc, that is practised by several countries.
Reports are coming in that two more US soldiers have been killed - that’s 64 that have died this month alone.
Two U.S. Soldiers Killed in Iraq Attacks](http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=LNARNPKBJ4G4ECRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=3836868)
The toll keeps on getting higher and higher…
Medical evacuations from Iraq near 11,000
The total number of wounded soldiers and medical evacuations from the war in Iraq is nearing 11,000, according to new Pentagon data provided in response to a request from United Press International. The military has made 8,581 medical evacuations from Operation Iraqi Freedom for non-hostile causes in addition to the 2,273 wounded – a total of 10,854, according to the new data. The Pentagon says that 457 troops have died. The Pentagon’s casualty update for Operation Iraqi Freedom listed on its Web site, however, does not reflect thousands of the evacuations.
***It is a toll the country has not seen since Vietnam, said Aseneth Blackwell, former national president of Gold Star Wives of America, Inc., a support group for people who lose a spouse from war. “It is staggering,” said Blackwell. Blackwell, who lost her husband in 1969 in Vietnam, sometimes visits Walter Reed Army Medical Center where some Iraq veterans get medical care. “To see these guys walking around up there with an arm missing, a leg missing, that is when it hits you in the face,” said Blackwell. According to data released to UPI from the Army Medical Command, the military as of Nov. 30 made 8,581 medical evacuations for bone injuries, surgeries, brain problems, heart illness, mental problems and other non-hostile causes. But the Pentagon’s casualty update as of Dec. 17 on its Web site reported only 364 soldiers as “non-hostile wounded” in addition to reporting that 457 troops have died and 2,273 soldiers have been wounded in action. ***
Pentagon spokesman Jim Turner said the Pentagon casualty update reports battle deaths and injuries. “What you are seeing on the (casualty update) are the types of injuries you would see in battle.” The Pentagon’s definition for casualty, released by Turner, is “any person who is lost to the organization by having been declared dead, duty status whereabouts unknown, missing, ill, or injured.” Turner did not return a phone call or e-mail asking for a clarification of the Pentagon’s casualty update. A veterans’ advocate said the Pentagon should report non-hostile incidents as casualties. “They are considered casualties,” said Bill Smith, a spokesman at Veterans of Foreign Wars. In response to a request from UPI about non-hostile incidents, the Army Medical Command this week released data that show 3,843 medical evacuations for “non-battle injuries” and 4,738 for “disease” between March 19 and Nov. 30. Examples of non-battle evacuations were for bone injuries and surgery, the Army said. Examples of disease evacuations include brain, heart, stomach, or mental problems. The evacuations include causes as diverse as dental problems and gynecological issues.
The data from the Army on medical evacuations for non-combat problems only includes evacuations to Army medical facilities and not facilities run by other services, according to Army Surgeon General spokeswoman Virginia Stephanakis. Stephanakis said she does not know how many troops were sent to other facilities, but said that number is small. It also excludes an unknown number of troops treated in Iraq who did not require a medical evacuation, and soldiers whose illnesses do not show up until later, like post-traumatic stress disorder. In an e-mail, Army Medical Command spokesman Jaime Cavazos said it was important to remember that evacuations were for “both serious and not-so-serious” problems, but provided no detail. He also said that one individual might represent multiple evacuations, if a soldier were evacuated “back and forth between Iraq and (medical facilities in) Germany several times,” but provided no data. He did not return a call seeking further explanation.
The figures of US troops killed, wounded, injured in Iraq are in fact much, much higher than first thought…
29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon](http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=482947)
Any comparisons to Vietnam are stupid..................this is much worse!
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Any comparisons to Vietnam are stupid..................this is much worse!
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The figures seem to be bearing that out, but you won't see cowboy Bush at any of the funerals of the fallen US soldiers.