America’s hidden battlefield toll
“The true scale of American casualties in Iraq is revealed today by new figures obtained by The Observer, which show that more than 6,000 American servicemen have been evacuated for medical reasons since the beginning of the war, including more than 1,500 American soldiers who have been wounded, many seriously.”
“The hospitals are busy. Sometimes all 40 of Walter Reed’s intensive care beds are full.”
Dropping like flies on a camels turd so to speak.
“Dropping like flies on a camels turd so to speak.”
My respect for guppies grows by the day. 
OhioGuy,
Sorry was that a bit tasteless, tasteless like storming into a sovereign state and not only bombing an already mostly innocent mass of impoverished people into the stone-age but giving the campaign pretentious titles like ‘Shock and Awe’?
Was it tasteless like taking away security, safety and the right to basic amenities from close to 25 million people in the process of securing hydrocarbon rights and to appease a dubious ally?
Was it really that tasteless?
If so I apologise profusely, what I meant to say was ‘dropping like so many food aid parcels on the lifeless corpses of American-bombed innocents’.
6,000 wounded is a very low figure. In regular training of 110,000 troops you would get more wounded. Most of these injuries are from accidents or diseases.
Not to mention that the title is inacurate. If soldiers were "fatally wounded" they would be dead. They are not dead.
What may have escaped you is that each of those American soldiers dead and wounded did not give one whit about oil. To a man each one believed that ousting a tyrant was the right thing to do. Read that sentence over again and let it sink in. Iraq is chaotic. The complete collapse of all services is unheard of in a conflict such as this. However there is hope. Brought to you courtesy of the US. A decade from now things will be very different, particualrly if Iraqis successfully capitalize on this opportunity.
Ask the countries that surrounding the former Soviet Union how sweet freedom and liberty are. Ask about the horrible price they paid under dictatorships.
Mocking dead and wounded soldiers may seem heroic and witty and intelligent to a such a brave keyboard jihadi such as yourself, but all of the nefarious conspiracy theories that swirl around certain parts of the world are pretty much a laughing stock in the west. So have yourself a little joke, but ask yourself, if you were an Iraqi, looking at the spectre of four more decades of rule under Uday or Qusay Hussein, would you endure a war to have a chance at freedom?
Experts warn of radioactive battlefields in Iraq
By Katherine Stapp
NEW YORK: Concerns are growing about the presence of depleted uranium and other toxins in Iraq following a rash of illnesses among US troops and the discovery by a reporter that radiation levels in parts of Baghdad are extremely elevated.
So far, according to figures obtained by the Washington Post, more than 6,000 soldiers have been pulled out of Iraq for medical reasons since the start of the war. About 1,400 of them were injured in combat or non-combat incidents, such as vehicle accidents, meaning the majority were evacuated for various physical or psychological illnesses.
No further breakdown has been released. In July, the US Army announced that two soldiers had died of severe pneumonia and more than 100 were hospitalised for the illness. The deaths are still being investigated.
While experts discount a single cause for these illnesses, some remain concerned that neither the troops stationed in Iraq nor the civilian population is being adequately protected from toxic residues left over from the war.
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Weren’t some people here claiming that depleted Uranium ammunition is not used in cities? I wonder what is this all about.
6,000 American servicemen have been evacuated for medical reasons since the beginning of the war, including more than 1,500 American soldiers who have been wounded, many seriously.
Interesting. When was the last time a major US Network banded around these figures for it's viewers?
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Not to mention that the title is inacurate. If soldiers were "fatally wounded" they would be dead. They are not dead.
What may have escaped you is that each of those American soldiers dead and wounded did not give one whit about oil. To a man each one believed that ousting a tyrant was the right thing to do. Read that sentence over again and let it sink in. Iraq is chaotic. The complete collapse of all services is unheard of in a conflict such as this. However there is hope. Brought to you courtesy of the US. A decade from now things will be very different, particualrly if Iraqis successfully capitalize on this opportunity.
Ask the countries that surrounding the former Soviet Union how sweet freedom and liberty are. Ask about the horrible price they paid under dictatorships.
Mocking dead and wounded soldiers may seem heroic and witty and intelligent to a such a brave keyboard jihadi such as yourself, but all of the nefarious conspiracy theories that swirl around certain parts of the world are pretty much a laughing stock in the west. So have yourself a little joke, but ask yourself, if you were an Iraqi, looking at the spectre of four more decades of rule under Uday or Qusay Hussein, would you endure a war to have a chance at freedom?
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May be the soldiers are totally unaware of their governments perpective or do we still believe US of A has humanity and well being of these countries at heart? I don't, nor do the civilians of those countries .American army isn't much better than keyboard jihadis since they won't enter the countries unless they have completely demolished it.Lets not judge what might iraqis prefer since their opinion hardly seems to matter anymore. If what you are saying is right then American army should be welcomed in iraq when it isn't. Let iraqis decide what the want instead of making decision for them. They are human to you know and have as much ability to choose their leader as do Americans
There have been 471 confirmed coalition deaths, 401 Americans, 53 British, 16 Italians and one Polish, in the war as of November 13, 2003. The casualty list below reflects the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors whose families have been notified.](Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties - Special Reports from CNN.com)
And today (Friday) 3 more US soldiers were killed](BBC NEWS | Middle East | US steps up assault on Iraqi foes)
Of the 404 US soldiers that have lost their lives in this war so far some 2/3 have died after the 1st of May when George Bush had proclaimed “mission accomplished”. Those injured in the war has shot up from 6000 a few weeks ago to over 7,700 now, as this article outlines…
The hidden cost of Bush’s war - Concern about fatalities among Western forces in Iraq tends to overlook another ghastly statistic: the spectacularly mounting toll of the severely wounded. Andrew Buncombe reports on America’s invisible army of maimed and crippled servicemen](http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=463502)
WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 (UPI) – The number of U.S. casualties from Operation Iraqi Freedom – troops killed, wounded or evacuated due to injury or illness – has passed 9,000, according to new Pentagon data.
In addition to the 397 service members who have died and the 1,967 wounded, 6,861 troops were medically evacuated for non-combat conditions between March 19 and Oct. 30, the Army Surgeon General’s office said.
That brings total casualties among all services to more than 9,200, and represents an increase of nearly 3,000 non-combat medical evacuations reported since the first week of October. The Army offered no immediate explanation for the increase.
Chota - I’ve got a couple of explanations, RPG and SA-18.
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I was talking to this soldier in Kuwait the other day. He called from Kuwait to buy a set of car wheels from the company I work for. He sounded very depressed and I asked him, whats going on there. He just said, "I'm glad I am not in Iraq, I just want to go home." He suggested that he didnt belong there. It was very touching.
Well Munni totally undersatnderable.
At this rate another 9000 soldiers will be out of action (limbs missing/permenently mentally shocked and dead) by June.
I remember on one instance, the arab TVs clearly documented an ambush which killed 8 american soldiers, and the reports on american tv showed 3 injured. The actual total death toll would fall in the beginning when casualties were being reported - such blatant lies. I don't think the case has changed ever since. The actual death toll is definitely over one thousand.
By the time this war ends, 1/3 of the US army will be wiped out. 1/3 will be imprisoned, defect, or injured out of actionm, the remainder will become Muslims and start marching towards Israel- the ones who got them there at the first place-inshallah :)
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By the time this war ends, 1/3 of the US army will be wiped out. 1/3 will be imprisoned, defect, or injured out of actionm, the remainder will become Muslims and start marching towards Israel- the ones who got them there at the first place-inshallah :)
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1/3 will be wiped out? I hope you are not serious.
Their are 130,000 US troops in Iraq right now I think. And 400 have died since March for an average of 2 per day.
So to have 43,333 American soldiers die, it would take 60 years at current rate.
well, the war ain't gonna be over by 2006, one thing for sure, the death toll of 400 is not accurate, and 19 soldier have perished within 24 hrs. So, do your sum.
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By the time this war ends, 1/3 of the US army will be wiped out. 1/3 will be imprisoned, defect, or injured out of actionm, the remainder will become Muslims and start marching towards Israel- the ones who got them there at the first place-inshallah :)
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Believe it or not you could well be right, well especially about the first two predictions anyway. Note in the article that Chota quotes above that - ...total casualties among all services to more than 9,200, and represents **an increase of nearly 3,000 non-combat medical evacuations reported since the first week of October**
3000 US soldiers injured in a space of just six weeks, and add onto the fact that on average more than 4 soldiers are being killed a day now. That means that daily 75 US soldiers are being taken out of action every day.
2/3 of 130,000 US soldiers = 86,666 - 9200 out of action already = 77,466 left over.
77,466 / 75 = 1032 days (approx 147 weeks) = Aug 2006. :)
^ That's all considering no escalation and not taking into account the opening up a new front be it Syria or Iran.
Analyst in the Pentagon can of course do much more sophisticated calculations but the end result is still looking grim.
For all those who think no one should be cheering on these deaths....no one is cheering. Simply highlighting the futility of the US approach of bomb and invade now and think later.
You reap what you sow and it's harvest time baby.
Who says its not accurate? Al Jazeera?
I think these soruces are much better. http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
Malik, you are talking about causalities, which include wounded and killed, both combat and non-combat. For an army with the resources of US, wounded means very little. Even the 400 dead (not all from hostile fire) do not mean much militarily, except for the domestic US media.
So these non-combat medical evacuations happen even in training. I’m sure some of them consist of some soldier getting sand in his eyes. This is no Vietnam.
Yup Imdud,
400-500 dead and 10 000 limbless and billions expended under false pretences doesn't mean much choocha.
Now go back to sleep and let the grown ups speak.