US and UK look for early way out of Iraq

I hope these rumours are true…

US and UK look for early way out of Iraq

Ewen MacAskill, Richard Norton-Taylor and Rory McCarthy in Baghdad
Saturday January 22, 2005
The Guardian

Private memos are circulating in Washington, Baghdad and London setting out detailed scenarios for withdrawal of US and British forces from Iraq as early as possible, a Foreign Office source said yesterday.

The policy papers have added urgency because a new Iraq government, to be elected next week if the election goes ahead on January 30 as planned, could set a target date for withdrawal.

John Negroponte, US ambassador to Baghdad, confirmed that a United Nations resolution declared that US and other forces would have to leave if requested by the Iraqi government. “If that’s the wish of the government of Iraq, we will comply with those wishes. But no, we haven’t been approached on this issue - although obviously we stand prepared to engage the future government on any issue concerning our presence here.”

The Foreign Office source said: "Of course, we think about leaving Iraq. There is no point in staying there. There are continually plans in Whitehall, Washington and Baghdad to withdraw when we can.

“But there is no document saying we will leave in July 2005 or any other date. That would be a mug’s game. There are documents all over the place with different scenarios.” Until recently, the British government was working to a rough target date of June next year but that appears to have been abandoned as over-optimistic.

Senior British military figures want to reduce the number of troops in Iraq as quickly as possible. But they also recognise that substantial numbers are likely to be there well into next year, and probably longer.

A defence source said yes terday that British troops would pull out when the new Iraqi government wanted them to go. “We are not there yet by a long chalk,” he said.

Even if a decision was taken today, he said, it would take until the end of the year to extract troops and their equipment. There are about 9,000 British troops in southern Iraq, a small fraction of the number of US troops in the country.

The Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence were dis mayed by the assessment of specialists sent out to review the progress of the Iraqi army. Only 5,000 of the 120,000-strong army was classified as being well enough trained to be dependable.

According to recent estimates, of some 135,000 recruited Iraqi police officers, only two-thirds report for duty. Lord Boyce, chief of Britain’s defence staff at the time of the invasion, said “only a small percentage is up to scratch”. A member of the Commons defence committee said on return from a visit to southern Iraq - the quietest area - late last year: “It will take 10 to 15 years at least before troops can be withdrawn. The Iraqis just cannot cope with the security situation and won’t be able to for years. It’s another Cyprus.”

The Foreign Office has welcomed public debate being conducted mainly in Washington over the last few weeks on the pros and cons of withdrawal.

A Guardian survey of foreign policy thinkers in the US, Britain, Iraq, France and Israel over the last 48 hours illustrated the divisions between those who favour early withdrawal, arguing that the US and British presence is counterproductive, and those who fear departure would lead to civil war and the break-up of Iraq.

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Nah I seriously doubt it. Why would they want to leave when they plan on attacking Iran next?

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PD Why do you hope that the rumors are true?

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because i strongly believe that invading iraq was a
colossal mistake by USA administration.It has made this world a more dangerous place.

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^ and leaving Iraq before it is stable will make the world a safer place?

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I dont think USAs invasion has made the world a dangerous place. But please extrapolate on "colassal mistake". The reason I am badgering you with these questions is 'cause there is a big blizzard out in NY. Nothing to do outside so might as well badger the mod. :D inside GS. And PD Seminole has a valid point.

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Yeah, whether or not it was a mistake to go in, does leaving prematurely make it all better? Then there will be the criticism that US left a mess.

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Seminole whatever US does the world will have a gripe, specially the arabs.

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East coast is facing a cold winter and here I am who is quitting warm and cozy Phoenix next week to move to Washington DC Metro Area……ahhhhh

Anyway, seminole may have a valid point but I differ from him. Look, this is the exact same logic used by many during Vietnam War. Many supported this war because they believed that an early exit would cause catastrophic unrest in South East Asia. History tells us now that they were wrong.

And why I think that invading Iraq was a colossal mistake. Well because

  1. thousands upon thousands of lives have been lost
  2. taxpayers will be paying for the war for generations to come
  3. the reach of terrorist networks has expanded, and
  4. the development of the international rule of law has regressed half a century.

A research report recently published by The Lancet, a leading academic journal for public health, pegs the number of civilian deaths in Iraq to be approximately 100,000.

This report has serious implications for the prospects for success in the reconstruction of Iraq. Think about it: the United States - already hated by Iraqis for its imperialist tendencies and unjust support for Israel - entered into a sovereign nation, destroyed its infrastructure and killed 100,000 civilians. Now, the United States expects to gain the support of all Iraqis, deeming those who do not agree to be “terrorists.” Is this going to “win the hearts and minds” of Iraqis and others in the Middle East? Come on Seminole……It is better to get out of this mess as soon as possible….

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I'd love to leave, trust me. I don't want one more American to die for a people who could give a crap about fighting for their freedom. Bu who fills the vaccuum?

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Welcome to our neck o' the woods. Are you gonna change your name to WashingtonDesi? I gotta go dig up this Lancet report before I respond. Your 4 points are valid but in short term, in the long run I think Mid-East will be better off with a strong muslim democratic state and returns on our taxpayer money will be in form of a peaceful mid-east.

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You got to ask where the tax billions went, I noticed condi rice has got a new mink coat and Bush has splashed out on a v-tech spell-with-me computer.

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Better yet Bush just spent 40 million dollars on his re-elecion party. I mean poor american soliders are fighting in Iraq without good old american McDonalds and here you are wasting 40 million dolllars.

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I can summarize this whole thread in four words with last word ending up in four letter word... :)

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fighting for freedom,seminole;) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha...
tht is the best example of ignorance..u meant after killing 150,000 people and injuring plenty of others,u r giving them "freedom"..infact u heartless americand wanted oil...

u people killed 1.5 million children due to sanctions....oh yes u r giving them freedom...i cannot stop my laugh on people ignorance of human atitude....
americans r already losing so many soldiers where day and will lose more in future...

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Guy1, there are points in this thread that I agree with so those I will leave alone...You are in error though when you say that US killed 1.5 million children with sanctions. US kept sending food and medical supplies, equipment and medicines as did other countries - sanctions did not include humanitarian aid. The "beloved" dictator did not distribute this aid to his country thus ensuring many deaths of children. You can twist things around to blame US for this but that is not where the blame lies. Sadaam Hussein let the children of his country die.

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That is incorrect. The US forced Iraq to give up its deep cold storage vans that were used to transport vaccines as they could be turned into nuke carriers. So all the medicine that they sent was not stored properly and basically was wasted. Read more about the oil for food program. Its amazing what is kept hidden from the average american.

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^^ I think if Baathist intentions were good they would have distributed the medicines by using alternatives. This storage van story is a joke man, post it in joke section you will get better hits. If the baathist regime (Saddam and his boys in particular) were keen on the good will of their people except the few sunnis or better yet his tribe they wouldn't have used chemical alis home made recipe on their own people.
It is the same junk that is causing nuisance now in Babylon that refused to distribute medicines in the 90s after we kicked their good for nothing butt.

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wht a joke mamoaf,i ask u wht u know abt politics???...US used to send few life saving drugs..yes only few... and tht was the only formality...US is directly responsible for killing 1.5 million child...as they sanctioned Iraq....i still remember the faces of died children shown on PTV....so saying "US IS NOT RESPONSIBLE" is a totally fake statement...

did u know ur heros killed just 10,000 people in containers in afghanistan and by death dance....

US is beast which has nothing t to do with the rights of people...US nevaany appreciable aid to iraq...

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I agree with CM on this one. USA played a terrible role during the period when Iraq had sanctions. Ok forget the storage van stories, but there have been numerous reports in the international media which suggest that hundred of thousands kids died during the sanctions period. But we never heard of them on USA media. As a matter of fact, USA media is one of the most terrible, state-driven, biased and ugly media in the world. And I have made this statement after watching it over 10 years.

And to say that saddam hussain did not allow the distribution of medicines among Iraqi people is a biggest lie. Not that I support saddam hussain but saddam hussain government was really good in terms of providing relief and justice to its citizens. I am saying this based on what I heard from some of my friends and colleagues who happened to live in Iraq during saddam’s era.