US acknowledges India creating problems for Pakistan using Afghanistan!!

DAWN.COM | World | Obama?s new strategy sours US-Pakistan ties

WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama’s new strategy is causing serious differences between the United States and Pakistan over how to fight the militants hiding in the Pak-Afghan region.

US think-tanks and the media believe that the differences revolve around two major issues: India’s role in Afghanistan and the drone attacks at suspected terrorist targets inside Pakistan.

They acknowledge that India is using its overwhelming presence in Afghanistan to create problems for Pakistan in Balochistan and other places.


So the cat is out. Some people have closed their eyes, pretending that India is nothing but a “peaceful” country and looking for safer/stable Pakistan… well, lies exposed, hypocrisy uncovered.

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LOL...unnamed US think tanks (which one) and media are not the same as US !! You should probably change the title of your thread :)

This article deals with Pak's frustrations at the US not listening to its whining on Kashmir and refusing to "mediate" between India & Pak. I am surprised that you came to the conclusion that you did on reading this article :p

Don't worry, things come out in open little by little.

Every article contains many aspects of an issue, you pick what interests you or an issue closer to your heart or something that you believe but has been denied by others etc.

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Funny indeed. On other matters they quote names like Holbrooke but on this one item it is unnnamed / unsourced. Because if they name anyone or any org they know there will be a swift denial since it simply isn't true.

What desperation !

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[mod]please stay on topic. any news article may talk about multiple things, and it is the thread starters decision to direct the discussion based on any single bit. Nothing keeps you from opening a separate thread using the same article if you wish.[/mod]

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And how come you claim that without the article having any credited source? plus that too from a Pakistani website.

Title is highly misleading, perhaps with intention of false propaganda generated due to deep hatred for India.

Yesterday, Holdbrook and Mullen were in India and nowhere they said that India is doing anything bad other than peaceful work for greater peace and prosperity of Afghanistian and the whole region.

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the Last thing India needs is a Pakistan more unstable and chaotic than it is currently is....

Its just like a chaotic mexico is bad for USA

similarly a chaotic Pakistan is bad for India

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WASHINGTON: When they ask Pakistan to sever its alleged ties with the Taliban, US officials focus on three militant leaders, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Commander Jalaluddin Haqqani and Commander Nazir.

Diplomatic observers in Washington, however, acknowledge that while urging Pakistan to end its links to the militants, the Americans do not address the concerns and fears that force Pakistan to keep an option other than the one offered by the United States.

The observers point out that the Pakistanis feel the need to cultivate militant leaders because they fear India’s overwhelming presence in Afghanistan.

Not addressing these concerns ‘leaves Pakistan exposed to Indian encirclement,’ says Aqil Shah, a US expert of Pakistani origin associated with the Columbia University.

Pakistan sees the evidence of this encirclement ‘in New Delhi’s alleged support for the insurgency in Pakistan’s resource-rich Balochistan province and in the Indian funding for a 135-mile road connecting Afghanistan’s Nimroz province with the Iranian port of Chabahar,’ Mr Shah adds.

According to other experts, the Pakistanis have almost no influence over the current Afghan government. The traditional Taliban leadership, including Mullah Omar, too does not trust Pakistan because of its alliance with the United States.

This forces them to cultivate militant leaders like Mr Hekmatyar and Commander Haqqani, two key militant leaders fighting the American and allied forces in Afghanistan.

Commander Nazir, a Pakistani tribal militant, is useful for Islamabad because of his differences with Baitullah Mehsud who is a greater threat to Pakistan than any other militant leader.

But in Washington, Commander Nazir is seen as a greater threat to US interests than Mr Mehsud because he sits right on the Afghan border and is believed to have links with the Afghan Taliban.

For Pakistan, however, Commander Nazir is a proven asset. They have already used him once to beat Mr Mehsud’s Uzbek supporters.

Recently, US experts have also begun to acknowledge that the Indian presence in Afghanistan forces Pakistan to maintain the ties it developed with the militants during the Afghan war.

‘I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan’s apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India,’ says Christine Fair, a leading US expert on South Asia.

'Anyone seeking to wean support for extremists and terrorists in the country has to address Pakistan’s legitimate security needs,’ says Shaun Gregory, a British expert and director of the Pakistan Security Research Unit at the University of Bradford.

Mr Shah says that ‘it should not be surprising that the Pakistani military continues to patronise groups it sees as useful in the regional race for influence’ because of what the Indians have been doing in Afghanistan.

'They seem to be saying: the Pakistanis did it to us in Kashmir, so we will pay them back in Balochistan and elsewhere.’

**During a recent visit to the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, Ms Fair found that ‘issuing visas was not the main activity’. India, she says, has also ‘run operations from its mission in Mazar Sharif and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Kandahar along the (Pak-Afghan) border’.
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While Washington tries to persuade Pakistan to end its links to Mr Hekmatyar, it has not publicly objected to the Afghan government’s efforts to reach a deal with him.

In Kabul, Mr Hekmatyar is seen as a useful contact. Unlike Commander Haqqani, who is not willing to join any peace talks as long as US troops are in Afghanistan, Mr Hekmatyar is not only willing to talk but also has allowed some of his lieutenants to join the government.

There are at least five governors and seven advisers in the Kabul government who are from the Hekmatyar group. But for Pakistan, the Americans have a different strategy: Regard India as a friend, not a competitor in Afghanistan. Islamabad, they argue, should focus on fighting the militants, who are the real enemy.

**However, as an Indian expert of South Asian affairs, Sumit Ganguly, points out, Indian activities in Afghanistan make it difficult for Pakistan to accept India as a friend.

Mr Ganguly, a professor of Political Science at Indiana University, acknowledges that Indian objectives in Afghanistan are ‘not purely humanitarian’.

India, he says, is working on ‘a pincer movement designed to relieve the pressure in Kashmir’. Mr Ganguly says he also knows that ‘the Indians have mucked around in Sindh in retaliation for Pakistani involvement in the Punjab crisis.’**

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect…ns-concerns–bi

Pakistanis have been saying this for years...
Afghanis themselves admitted it....
Americans have admitted it......
Indians themselves are admiting it..

Keep denying if you want to(as an Indian you have to i guess) but you know pretty well that it's true.

Exactly ! That is reason enough for India to not create more instability in Pak than there already is.

Pakistan must grow up beyond the 1950s cold war era policies.

We have been ignoring our land by concentrating too much on others.

There is no doubt that India wants to influence Afghani ex-commies neo-US-lackies. Because India itself is the same way an "ex-commie neo-US-lacky".

However Indian influence in Afghanistan cannot do a squat, if we continue developing our own areas.

India or others can peddle their nefarious designs in Balochistan or FATA not because of Afghanistan,

Instead Indians will only be successful if we do not conduct massive infrastructure developments in these areas.

And the biggest obstacle to the development in FATA and Balochistan is the presence of fanatic Mullahs.

It is time to cut the Mullahs off and let them go hell.

We need to focus on "constructive" policies of building roads and hospitals.
And we need to move away from "destructive" policies of using Mullahs against the lefti BLA or extreme left of ANP.

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Christine Fair has spent a lot of time in Afganistan and in the region, so I am surprised that she'd make an open ended comment such as that which you guys are are interpreting the hell out of. Ofcourse a consulate embassy does a lot more than issue visas. We have multi-hundred millions of dollars worth of contracts (much of it being aid given by India to Afghanistan) beimg executed. The Afghan government does NOT have the institutions to manage these and have asked India to do it. And India uses field offices to manage these projects.

Don't get paranoid and start making too much of it.

Pakistan must grow up from these petty insecurities and focus on positive plans to avoid destruction. India neither wants to nor is capable enough to cause that kind of damage to Pakistan as you are experiencing

LOL... Suddenly its you who has to defend your countries ..ked up practices.

But its no surprise. Well all knew this. This just exposes it.:p

America is one of the reasons Mexico is so chaotic. I suppose one could say that India is also one of the main sources of Pakistans problems.

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pakistan and india has to live as neighbours upto infinite period. what is the use of useless fighting. Pakistan has spent billions of dollars of foreign aid to help insurgents to bleed india. See the consequences, it is bleeding by itself. Similarly if India does something against Pakistan it is bound to boomerang on its face. Why not create a mature relationship and live in peace.

Its time for Pak Govt to start providing evidence publically to reverse the PR war

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Those traitors who are with the enemy and are supporting enemy must remeber and read the verses of QURAN in which Allah Almighty had told in detail that those people who will support Allah's enemies will get which type of punishments.

we also acknowledge that there are many ignorant muslims as well but there are not only the muslims who do it. the greater extremism is in non muslims as well who are supporters of terrorism in muslim countriz.

so one must also see these facts otherwise they will see Allah's justice on yaum-e-qyamah

:)

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Because Indians are horrible neighbors...

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‘I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan’s apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India,’ says Christine Fair, a leading US expert on South Asia.**

During a recent visit to the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, Ms Fair found that ‘issuing visas was not the main activity’. India, she says, has also ‘run operations from its mission in Mazar Sharif and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Kandahar along the (Pak-Afghan) border’.

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Christine Fair has spent a lot of time in Afganistan and in the region, so I am surprised that she'd make an open ended comment such as that which you guys are are interpreting the hell out of. Ofcourse a consulate embassy does a lot more than issue visas.
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Hahahaha.....That was pretty lame.