Urs Haji Mushtaq Attari
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lolz
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^
Any particular reason for this ?
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thats what they do in URSES
thats what they do in URSES
Its not a good thing to count all in one ... Im not denying what you said, but I have seen in person Dawate Islami is far away from such activities ...
And Haji Mushtaq Attari was a very well known 'Naat-Khuwaan' and Aashiq-e-Rasool (Sallalo Alahe Wa-alehe Wassalam) ...
May his soul be rest in eternal peace, Ameen !
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^^ I too agree .. Dawat e Islami do deserve respect purely for the sake of Almighty Allah as they stay away from politics.. showing off and the funny actions that happen at urs's
But their Ameer is quiet funny though. Even he laughs at his own way of talking/sitting with pillow on his lap.
^^ I too agree .. Dawat e Islami do deserve respect purely for the sake of Almighty Allah as they stay away from politics.. showing off and the funny actions that happen at urs's
what funny actions happen at urs?
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Grave worship.
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^^
There is no grave worship, its a propaganda.
If you dont know something, better ask than assume !
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In Islam, only three days of mourning is permitted. And there is no room for birthdays. In Islam, we have aqiqa.
This is not found in Quran and Sunnah so definitely an innovation which leads to Shirk i.e. calling upon others other than Allah thinking they are all listening and all knowing and all powerful like Allah.
Its indeed a grave worship.
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There is no grave worship, its a propaganda.
If you dont know something, better ask than assume !
Ok, can you explain what is this?
Is this found in Sunnah and Quran?
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nah i am more interested in attending urs of Haji Nintendo
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In Islam, only three days of mourning is permitted.
Urs is not mourning.
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And there is no room for birthdays.
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Urs is not celebrated on a birthday, rather on the date of death. and that also for purpose of khatam-e-koran, charity of food,money etc.
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In Islam, we have aqiqa.
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Urs is not related to aqiqa in any sense.
This is the reason I request members to ask if they dont have enough knowledge of something, rather than blabbing nonsense about something continuously.
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This is not found in Quran and Sunnah so definitely an innovation which leads to Shirk i.e. calling upon others other than Allah thinking they are all listening and all knowing and all powerful like Allah.
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Its certainly found in Koran:
"Your helpers are Almighty Allah and His Rasool and those Muslims who perform Salaah and give alms and make Ruku" (5:55,Koran)
and Hadith:
The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has stated, "There are certain of Allah's servants that have been set aside to fulfil the necessities of the people. People will call to them in their times of need. They are protected from the punishment of Almighty Allah". (Jame Saghir)
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Its indeed a grave worship.
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No, Its not. Since you dont know about this, its better to ask than comment, makes u look more sensible rather than miserably senseless.
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Ok, can you explain what is this?
Is this found in Sunnah and Quran?
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Thats better, you asked.
Its generally related to concept of Aalim-e-Barzakh and roohaniat. Both are about spirits(rooh) and the afterlife.
There are some people in this world, who are lovers of ALLAH and have submitted their thoughts, wishes and hearts only to ALLAH. This trend is from before Hazrat Muhammad(saw) e.g. Ashaab-e-kaaf, mentioned in Koran.
Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) is Himself a lover(mehboob) of ALLAH and ALLAH is a mehboob of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) Then love for Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) was seen from Hazrat Awais Karni (R.A). This love for a pious person is not specific to that person only but leads towards ALLAH. For a lover knows what makes loved one happy, and if the loved one is already a slave of ALLAH, then the lover will do his best to please ALLAH also.This is briefly about ishq and on ishq sufis,saints,Auliya-ALLAH etc thrive on.
Coming back to graves issue.The ability to send "salam" to a living person by a dead person can be seen from here:
Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) said: "when ever someone send salam to saahib-e-Qabr then he replies, and if he know him in his life then he do know him after death" (Baheeqi Fee Su'Bil Iman, Ibn-e-Abi Dunya)
The above is mentioned about a common person. When its about a certain Sufi saint, then its a little different. In lifetime, a person's rooh becomes stronger by reciting ALLAH's kalam, abandoning wordly wishes and carrying out many other tasks sent forth by ALLAH which ordinary persons cannot remain steadfast upon. Such saints have been blessed with "karamaat" in their lifetime.
When such sufi saints leave this world, their rooh is already made so strong by ALLAH that he can go to Aalim-e-Barzakh on his own, he may be able to visit the persons he loved etc.
Hadrat Ibn Masud Radi Allahu anhu relates that a man came to the Noble Prophet (Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam) Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam and asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What would you say about a person who loves (certain) people but does not share their period? He Salla Allahu ta'ala 'alayhi wa Sallam replied, "A person will be with those he loves." [Bukhari and Muslim]
Thus if a Sufi Saint loved Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), He will be in the company of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) too.and the connection of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) leads to ALLAH, therefore when people come to the shrine of Sufi Saint ask him to become "waseela" for them for a certain wish, the sufi saint who in his lifetime also helped such people will again make dua to ALLAH because of his rooh's closeness to ALLAH and then ALLAH is the Greatest ONE, who may accept this dua coming from the channel of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).
I didnt go in details, but just gave a general concept to clear a misconception.
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In Islam, only three days of mourning is permitted. And there is no room for birthdays. In Islam, we have aqiqa.
i know,i know you LAKEER k FAKEER log says because sahaba did'nt celebrate their birhtdays so its biddat THEN PLZ STOP USING THIS INTERNET AND COMPUTER AND FLYING IN AEROPLANES USING BUSES AND USING CARS USING AND CELEBRATING FREEDOM DAYS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY SAHABA ALSO DIDNT ENJOY THEM.lol
Even you people dont allow us to celebrate EID-MILAD-UN-NABI,what a shame we even cant reads naats on our beloved prophet birthday because it is so called BIDAH.
This is not found in Quran and Sunnah so definitely an innovation which leads to Shirk i.e. calling upon others other than Allah thinking they are all listening and all knowing and all powerful like Allah.
Its indeed a grave worship.
Allah said in quran that dont say martyrs are dead,they are not dead and we are giving them food but you cant understand.
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Sarge CANDY @
Its BIDAT ( I am not asking You but telling you so you understand )
Unfortunately we lived long enough with Hindus and inherited most of the practices from them.
UUL-UL Albab is mentioned in Quran Karim we all respect them or should respect them all the Buzurg and WALI people should be respected but there is no such thing as URS in Quran as sister mentioned above 3 days mourning and thats it any thing else is BIDAT....
he ma not be BABA nintendo but a real WALI still URS aient something he wouldve wanted..
Sarge CANDY @ Its BIDAT ( I am not asking You but telling you so you understand ) Unfortunately we lived long enough with Hindus and inherited most of the practices from them.
UUL-UL Albab is mentioned in Quran Karim we all respect them or should respect them all the Buzurg and WALI people should be respected but there is no such thing as URS in Quran as sister mentioned above 3 days mourning and thats it any thing else is BIDAT....
he ma not be BABA nintendo but a real WALI still URS aient something he wouldve wanted..
Its not Bidat. reciting Koran, reciting fateha, doing Khatam-e-Koran, sending Darud Sharifs,distributing food among poor etc.Its all done normally but more in numbers on a special day and thats called Urs.
And on the contrary, its hindus who "tried" to inherit most of the practices of Muslim Auliya Karam, so they could also attain the same powers through ways used by Auliya Karam. But these powers were given by ALLAH and obviously Hindus could never attain them even if they imitate them.
When a Wali-ALLAH(Hazrat Khuwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri) was sent to India with the mission of spreading Islam here, he studied Hindu ways first.He studied them to sort of give them an alternative for their hindu ways and then shift them towards Islam.In short, he was successful in this endeavour and many hindus became muslims.
Just a few examples:
1.A part of population in India worshipped fire/sun,so he used Chiragh(lamp).
2.The long hanging bell used in mandir(temples) by Hindus that we see in movies.
A bell was hung outside his Hujra(a place where he sits) when he would do chilla for the needy ones to come and pull the cord three times.Since he couldnt attend to anyone so he told his disciples that by ringing the bell the wish of the affected person will reach ALLAH's throne.
3.The smoke(dhooni) used by Hindus in their temples.I dont know whats that for really but its used to ward of spirits(jinns) that have attacked a human. But thats not the only way.Sprinkling water is also done.There are many other ways also.
So these were used and Hindus tried to imitate but failed.
sugar candy how old are you ever been to any URS IN YOUR LIFE ??? 
Even If I agree with your definition OF URS answer this .
why the hell do you put them multi colored chadars on a grave ???
If you know people will have a party in your URS like ( bhangra and skunk ) better do what ever you mentioned above in your home .
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We inherited every thing from hindus , GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ,
khauaja sahab was a very great person leave him out of this ,
KING AKBAR started all this when he fell in love & married with a HINDU girl and made a new religion called DEEN-ai-Ilahi.
He was the WORST AND COWARD of them all he tried to merge both religions taking few things from both and started dancing and chiragan and stuff in graves like hindus do in the temples.
there is nothing NOTHING AT ALL that tells us if sahabi did an URS of prophet Muhammad Ahmed P&BBUH .
brother what ever your parents did or grand parents not necessarily correct do not follow it because your parents did .
READ QURAN YOUR SELF stop talking about any wali ALLAH coz they never did any thing against Shariat .
any thing either celebrating a birthday or mourning or what ever you do in URS IS A BIDAT nothing in QURAN or HADITH ai RASOOL .
flying a plane and driving a car is not something people do as a religion what a dumb example .
AND SHAHEED ARE NOT DEAD BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN START TALKING TO THEM .
THEY EAT FOOD WHY DONT YOU MAKE A WHOLE IN A GRAVE AND DROP FOOD IN IT
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Addressing me by mingled name, only makes u look more of an idiot.
Yes I have been to an URS and I am glad you pointed out those things at an URS.Obviously anyone against a certain something, will only highlight the negative aspects while sliding past the positive aspects, so i was expecting this.You may describe in a million ways to Jewish and Islam Haters, that islam is a true religion of peace, yet they will highlight the negative factors only.
Colours play an important. Green and white colours are considered sacred.Thats why mostly green chadars are put on graves of Buzurgs with white writings. However, there are green chadars with pink or red or yellow etc writings also.These colours signify the colours of flowers that people also put on the graves.
In the older times, whenever urs was celeberated, there would also be a “mela” nearby because the mela organizers knew that many many people would be coming to the urs of acertain buzurg and this gave a chance for the mela organizers to earn.This is another reason why we see so many stalls and shops during an Urs.
For the people who can be seen “dancing” at the urs, there are two types mostly:
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The first ones are the ones who are in ishq with that buzurg and lose themselves completely when any kalam is said in his praise e.g. qawwali, to praise that buzurg.The correct term for these would be whirling, not dancing. Sometimes even when they come near to his shrine, they start whirling. Its related to spirituality in such a state that the body becomes slave of the rooh(spirit).
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The second type are the ones who have no concept pf Urs or spirituality and know nothing about ishq but think of it just like any other festival and when seeing others whirl, they start dancing without any understanding. These people dont know the proper values.
I believe you are not into spirituality and have no concept about the powers that have been blessed as karamaat to such buzurgs and the evil powers which have been posessed by the aamils of black magic related to Hindu religion. You better read about such Muslim buzurgs and also the books written by these Aulia-Karam to know if the hindus influneced us or we influenced hindus, strictly in spiritual and religious context. In our society and cultural values, yes Hindus have influenced us.
khuwaja Moeenuddin Chishti Ajmeri is loved by Hindus and sikhs the same way he is loved and adored by Muslims.King Akbar is not related to spirituality, he was a devotee of Khuwaja sahab, but not a mureed.I think he or his some descendant also made a mosque at Khuwaja Sahab’s shrine known as Akbari Masjid.
I have already mentioned the positive aspects of an Urs which people do over there, somehow and not surprisingly, only gossiping aspects are highlighted and talked about.
Sahabis didnt do an Urs of Hazrat Muhammad (saw), but its your choice not to recite Koran, recite fateha, doing Khatam-e-Koran, sending Darud Sharifs,distributing food among poor etc for Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) on Eid Mailad Un nabi also.Although Im not in any aspect comparing an Urs and Eid Mailad Un Nabi, neither I am saying that Eid Mailad Un nabi and Urs are same, but its the burning love of the lovers of such great personalities which compels them to remember their mehboobs by reciting ALLAH’s words.This is again a concept of roohaniat (spirituality) and roohaniat is sufism, on which Aulia-Karam thrive on.
Brother, I am not doing something because my fathers or fore fathers did it. I know about it because I have been blessed enough to see karamat of such buzurgs with my own eyes and I have experienced them also and at URS also. I have a thorough understanding of them in relation with ALLAH, HIS Kalam and Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).
I know the powers of ALLAH’s kalam, though by far im seeming to be the devils advocate here.I hope you know that ALLAH’s kalam is protected by moakills, and even ALLAH’s names.
Just two of HIS names were used by Hazrat Asif Barkhiya(R.A) infront of Hazrat Suleiman(R.A) to get the throne of the queen within the inkling of a second. These two names were Ya-Hayoo,Ya-Qayumoo.Hazrat Asif Barkhiya (R.A) had gone in depth for many years regarding these two names only and even the jinns sitting in the Darbar of Hazrat Suleiman (R.A) couldnt privide a lesser time than Him (R.A), some stating week,day,hours etc. This not only proves a human is the best of all beings but also how ALLAH has blessed a human to understand him much better than other of his beings and these AUlia-Karam are such examples.
If I go into the concept of moakills and other spiritual creatures and going deep in depths of ALLAH’s kalam, this will further confuse you, but its the start of sufism and roohaniat. Since you told me to recite Koran and understand it, I am telling you to go in its depth and understand ALLAH, understand ishq.
Its not surprising that people recite Holy Koran,stay steadfast on hadith and then also become depressed, lose hope, crib from ALLAH etc and then they say we hold only Koran and Hadith, nothing else is acceptable. The attitude is nice, may ALLAH reward people for this but the use of it. There are many people on this forum, go into Life1, ask the people in problems and they will say we love ALLAH, we stick to hadith, and then they will post lengthy topics about hopelessness.
It is certainly possible to talk to spirits (they may be of a shaheed or of a buzurg), but the concept cannot be grabbed by a common person and again very few people have been blessed by ALLAH with such blessings.
If you have an inclination towards movies/TV shows, you will find that the movies/shows which show special powers associated with a human being are more fascinating than normal fiction and we fantacize in our subconcious about such powers. The truth is that powers like these and powers better than these are available through ALLAH’s kalam, and i have given a small example of hazrat Asif Barkhiya (R.A). So, thats why I request people to ask questions instead of making up their minds about a certain thing and always replying hey I trust Holy Koran and Hadith only, without understanding what lies in the powers of ALLAH’s Koran and association with Hazrat Muhammad (SAW). All the Aulia-Karam are lovers of Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).When someone is in ishq, he doesnt lock himself in certain dimensions and puts a full stop there, he goes deep down in it for a long time again and again.and when people go down in its depth , its labelled as Bidat, its high time to stop judging a book by its cover.ALLAH has said, I am a hidden treasure and I would love to be discovered.Obviously if u want to discover something, you will have to go in depth.
You should understand that the food for a soul is ALLAH’s zikr, so throwing food in a grave may not really help until and unless ALLAH decides it that way.
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