Contrary to popular misconception there is nothing wrong with urinating whilst standing up so long as there is no danger of the urine splashing back on the clothes and the private parts are not exposed to others.
I personally find there is more splashing on those Pakistani squat toilets than at a urinal and the dividers between the urinals provide adequate privacy.
I don’t understand why some South-Asian Muslims are so against urinating whilst stood up.
It was narrated from Hudhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went to the garden of some people and urinated standing up. (Saheeh Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim).
It is so nice that some people would go look for ahadees like this and desperately try to fit them in a time 1400 years later.
Oh Bhai, Messenger pbuh had many aspects to his life. some of them are related to spiritual aspects, and some to the PHYSICAL aspects.
Spiritual aspects are timeless and thus can be followed with relative ease.
PHYSICAL aspects are really dependent on the environment, resources, and systems that evolve to adapt to those environments and resources.
Human systems that handle urination and other bodily functions have come a long way in the 1400 years, (or even last 100 years). Why on earth you would go fishing for something that may not be applicable anymore.
Cleanliness of not only our body, but our homes and bathrooms is the basic principle as taught by Messenger pbuh.
How do you keep yourself clean is your business and you have to figure this out. And if you can't control your actions, then go home and take a shower, or change clothes or whatever.
Insisting these things must be proven and established through ahadees is utterly useless. But do whatever, but do not go pee in someone's garden. Most of the civilized places now have a proper place (most likely indoor plumbing) to allow you to relieve yourself.
I agree with you 100% when you talk about environment, resources and systems. Indeed some of the things our Prophet (S) did are not part of Islam such as relieving oneself in an orchard or field, they didn't have toilets or a sewage system in those days so people used any place outside that was private and secluded, just like they do in rural Southern Punjab and Sindh even today.
My post is aimed at the type of people who would claim urinating in a field is a Sunnah Muakkadah and not doing so is a sin, so we're in the same boat on this subject.
However despite the fact that the Prophet (S) never said "Thou shalt urinate in the orchard" he did specifically order us to do certain things in a certain way e.g. to not face the qiblah when using the toilet, to wash our hands afterwards, to use the left hand, to cover ones private parts from the sight of others, to maintain cleanliness etc.
His (S) specific orders are a part of Islam, they are timeless and to deny them is wrong just as much as inventing rules in Islam is wrong.
A friend narrated this embarrasing experience that no one else may have come across or experienced urinating while standing in a toilet next to an American co-worker…
The American reported the Muslim Worker to their Manager…stating that this person was masterbating on Company premises…
To make a long story short..:)…Manager called Muslim Worker to the office and asked for an explanation…Muslim stated the need for becoming totally dry and to not have any urine drops on a person’s clothing…as an important part of prerequisites for Muslim Prayers performed Five times every day…
So I suggest next time all you Men/Boys have the urge to do it standing up make sure No One is watching…
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LOL, actually a lot of goray people do the squeeze and shake thing too.
I hate sitting on public toilets, it's so unhygienic, imagine all them dirty people putting their bums there, that's why I always use the urinal.
Using toilet seats for urinating whilst stood up is inconsiderate and dirty, they splash the toilet seat with urine so that when people really really need to go badly they can't sit down.
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LOL, actually a lot of goray people do the squeeze and shake thing too.
I hate sitting on public toilets, it's so unhygienic, imagine all them dirty people putting their bums there, that's why I always use the urinal.
Using toilet seats for urinating whilst stood up is inconsiderate and dirty, they splash the toilet seat with urine so that when people really really need to go badly they can't sit down.
I think this thread is now going into the place where it belonged in the first place: TOILET.
Oh Bhai Nosherwan, just remember the following rules;
Lift the seat if you want to urinate in the toilet
If you want to sit on the seat to do the "deed", then cover it with toilet seat cover, or use toilet paper to make your own "custom made" toilet seat cover.
Easy!
There are more ways than one to keep yourself clean, and most of the decent places like your office / university toilets in the Western countries provide all of them to you.
I'm not sure if I am doing anything unethical in this, but I always try and go into the disabled toilets because of the water availability. I make sure the seat is clean if not then I clean it, then I leave it clean after I done my bit.
I was always savvy with the standing up thing, but I am sure now that when I sit my bladder empties better, hence no after flow.
Is it haraam to urinate standing up?
What is the Shari ruling regarding standing while urinating?
There is a hot debate here regarding this. Wile some claim that it is permissible others claim it is haram. Their argument is that there is a hadith in which Aisha says that whoever tells you that the prophet urinated while standing do not believe him. Please clarify the issue.
Praise be to Allaah.
It is not haraam for a man to urinate standing up, but it is Sunnah for him to urinate sitting down, because ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “Whoever tells you that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to urinate standing up, do not believe him. He only ever used to urinate sitting down.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, al-Tahaarah, 12; he said, this is the most saheeh report on this topic. It was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 11). And because this is more concealing, and it reduces the risk of any drops of urine splashing up onto him.
It was narrated from ‘Umar, Ibn ‘Umar and Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with them) that it is allowed to urinate standing up on the condition that there is no risk of drops of urine splashing onto one’s body or clothes, and that one does not expose one's ‘awrah, because al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated from Hudhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to a garden belonging to some people, and urinated standing up. There is no contradiction between this and the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), because it is possible that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did that because he was in a place where he was unable to sit down, or he did that to show the people that it is not haraam. This does not contradict the basic principle mentioned by ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) urinated sitting down, because it is Sunnah, it is not something waajib (obligatory) which it is forbidden to go against. And Allaah knows best.
Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/88 .
However I urge everyone to look at the context of this hadees.
Remember Hazrat Aysha became intimate with our Messenger pbuh much later in His pbuh life. And most likely He pbuh was much older and thus needed to sit down.
So we should not read too much into these ahadees.
I have read many many ahadees on this topic. It depended on the situation . When Rasool Allah(SAW) felt that his clothes will get dirty if he will sit down, he relieved himself standing up. When he felt that there will be too much splashing and his clothes will get soiled he relieved himself sitting down.
There is no universal rule about doing it while sitting down or standing up.
However I urge everyone to look at the context of this hadees.
Remember Hazrat Aysha became intimate with our Messenger pbuh much later in His pbuh life. And most likely He pbuh was much older and thus needed to sit down.
So we should not read too much into these ahadees.
Peace burqaposhx
If you see this narration your assumption is misguided ...
Az-Zubayr bin Bakkaar said in his book An-Nasab, "Rukaanah ibn 'Abdi-Yazeed was the one who wrestled the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) in Makkah before he embraced Islaam. He was from the strongest and harshest of the people. He said, 'If you can take me down, I will believe in you.' So the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) wrestled him and took him down. He then proclaimed, 'I testify that you are a magician!" Later he accepted Islaam.'"
It is well known amongst Muslims that Muhammad (SAW) was not a weak man !!! Never was a weak man.
If you see this narration your assumption is misguided ...
Az-Zubayr bin Bakkaar said in his book An-Nasab, "Rukaanah ibn 'Abdi-Yazeed was the one who wrestled the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) in Makkah before he embraced Islaam. He was from the strongest and harshest of the people. He said, 'If you can take me down, I will believe in you.' So the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) wrestled him and took him down. He then proclaimed, 'I testify that you are a magician!" Later he accepted Islaam.'"
It is well known amongst Muslims that Muhammad (SAW) was not a weak man !!! Never was a weak man.
Few comments.
How old was Messenger pbuh when the said context took place.
Our Messenger pbuh had clean habits, and thus was healthier compared to many men of his age. Remember someone having an age of 60+ in the era of 1400 years ago was pretty good. 60+ back then is kind of comparable to 90+ these days.
Still---- (read below)
Our Messenger pbuh was a human being, and thus he went through the same age related changed in His body like other human beings. Not sure what you mean by "Never a weak man". Any human being in his old age will lose the powers of his youth.
^ The Prophet (saw) left this world at the age of 63. He fought Ghazwa (Battle) of Hunain (or Autas or Hawazan) and Ghazwa (Battle) of Ta’if at the age of 60. He also participated in Ghazwa of Muta and Ghazwa (Battle) of Mecca at the age of 60. He was also in Ghazwa (Battle) of Tabuk at the age of 61. For complete list kindly consider the following:
The Prophet (saw) was 51 years old at the time of marriage with Hazrat Ayesha (r.a). So, let us not make assumptions like “most likely He pbuh was much older and thus needed to sit down.” without any evidence or proof to support our views.
I think this thread is now going into the place where it belonged in the first place: TOILET.
Oh Bhai Nosherwan, just remember the following rules;
Lift the seat if you want to urinate in the toilet
If you want to sit on the seat to do the "deed", then cover it with toilet seat cover, or use toilet paper to make your own "custom made" toilet seat cover.
Easy!
There are more ways than one to keep yourself clean, and most of the decent places like your office / university toilets in the Western countries provide all of them to you.
Seat covers are not available in most public toilets and if I used tissue it would stil seep through so urinal all the way.
I don't have issue with people using seat toilets but I don't want to be told off for using a urinal by the 'holier than thou' brigade.
nosherwan dude relax there is no urine that is going "seep" thru the toilet paper.. where do you work where the washrooms are like this??? how do you wash standing up is my next question?
......The Prophet (saw) was 51 years old at the time of marriage with Hazrat Ayesha (r.a). So, let us not make assumptions like "most likely He pbuh was much older and thus needed to sit down." without any evidence or proof to support our views.
I think you are taking it out of context now. Why do you think a Messenger (in general) cannot be old and frail? Allah says it over and over that Messengers were all Human Beings and not immortals.
Just like other human beings they went through the cycle of birth, adolescence, youth, middle age, old age, frailty, and death.
So let's not take this disucussion away from the where it should be and let us treat our Messenger pbuh's physical limitations comparable to other human beings of his age.
