I heard there’s something called Urfi marriage in Egyptian culture where the marriage is secret or something… do desis have that as well? And is it legitimate in Allah’s eyes?
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i dont see how it can be allowed or permissible if its done secretly (NOT a private affair, or a small function or sudden.)...
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From Wikipedia
How is that not a proper nikah? Since when is parental permission required to get married?
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Again, the nikah is complete, no one can say anything.
Only thing is it is not registered. Since when is registration required? 2 people get married in a jungle in front of 2 witnesses. They are still married right?
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Doesn't the girl need a "wali"?
Besides, on a social, emotional level, it'd just be so wrong to get married w/o parents involvement or knowledge
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Doesn't the girl need a "wali"? Besides, on a social, emotional level, it'd just be so wrong to get married w/o parents involvement or knowledge
Wrong? That is what they are trying to accomplish by doing this Nikah Urfi.
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^ I dont mean wrong religiously...maybe in islam it is permissible but I personally dont think its right...just my opinion
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Yeah my question is... I thought in Islam parents approval is a must..no? At least as Sara mentioned... the girl needs the approval of the wali... right? Or is the marriage without the girls approval just disliked but not haram?
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taken from islamqa.com
With regard to “ ‘urfi marriage” – there are two types of this:
1 – Where the woman is married in secret, without the agreement of her wali (guardian). If that is the case then it is a haraam marriage contract which is not valid, because the agreement of the wali is one of the conditions of the marriage contract being valid.
In the answer to question no. 2127 you will find a summary of the conditions of marriage, and the conditions of the wali. In the answer to question no. 7989 there are more details about the importance of the wali in order for the marriage to be valid.
2 – Marriage with the agreement of the woman and her wali, but without announcing the marriage publicly, or registering it in the shar’i or civil courts, but there are witnesses. If this is the case, then it is a valid marriage from the point of view of having met the necessary conditions, but it goes against the Islamic command to publicize the marriage. Not having the marriage officially documented may lead to the wife losing out on her rights with regard to the dowry and inheritance, and if the marriage leads to children, how will this child be recorded in official documents? How will the woman defend her honour before people?
It should also be noted that some of the fuqaha’ say that publicizing the marriage is one of the conditions of it being valid, which is not far from the truth. They gave as the reason for that the fact that publicizing the marriage demonstrates the difference between marriage and immoral relationships. This is supported by the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The difference between what is halaal and what is haraam is beating the daff and raising the voice at weddings.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1088; al-Nasaa’i, 3369; Ibn Maajah, 1896. Classed as hasan by Shaykh al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1994
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
There is no doubt that a marriage which is announced publicly is valid, even if it is not witnessed by two witnesses, but if it is concealed and kept secret, this is a matter concerning which there is some debate. If there are witnesses and it is also announced publicly, this is the marriage concerning which there is no dispute that it is valid. If there are no witnesses and it is not announced publicly, then it is invalid according to all scholars. But if there are any scholars who dispute this, they are very few.
Al-Fataawa al-Kubra, 3/191
Ibn al-Qayyim said:
The Lawgiver has stipulated four conditions for marriage in addition to the marriage contract, in order for there to be no suspicion of immoral conduct: it should be publicized, there should be a wali (woman’s guardian), the woman should not do the marriage contract herself and it is mustahabb to beat the daff and raise voices (in song) and give a waleemah (wedding feast), because that does away with the means that may lead to immoral actions under the guise of being married.
I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een, 3/113
i.e., if marriage is done in secret, it is possible that if the woman gets pregnant and gives birth, the man may deny this child because there is no proof that this woman is his wife and this child is his child. But if there are witnesses and the marriage is publicized, there is no room for this evil action to take place.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=45663&ln=eng&txt=Urfi
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