I have some questions in my mind about urdu and want to talk with you.
Urdu is a language of Pakistan. we can also find urdu speakers in india, in middle east and in bangladesh. In Pakistan urdu is in peak. Urdu language represents Pakistanis. At least five newspapers are published in U.S where Pakistanis live as Pakistani American community.
All these signs show urdu is a growing language, and it’s center is Pakistan.
here are my questions.
what is history of urdu language?
what is relation of urdu and arabic?
what is relatiion between urdu and farsi?
I read in many books, difference between urdu and hindi is this, urdu is written in arabic alphabets. but I am not agree with this. “Pay” doesn’t appear in arabic.
I know in urdu there are words of many language this sign shows urdu is a big and widely spoken language and have ability to more grow.
Brother Who--me, a shareef aadmi wants to baRhao his knowledge and you are doing wotever? shame shame...
Brother cooldown, since i am in such a munificent and benevolent mood, you'll get what you asked for. I'll post history of urdu here just for you ...but in installments ofcourse. Two pages a day are enough or you want more?
[This message has been edited by NaikLarki (edited December 28, 2001).]
Urdu is a Turkish word which means "military". Don't try to go any closer to Urdu Academly if u are in Turkey. Just an advice.
I don't agree that Urdu represents Pakistan coz it is widely spoken in India, Bangladesh, UAE. Urdu is a national language of Pakistan and the local regions have their own beautiful languages but they use urdu to communicate between themselves and it constitute one quality to qualify Pakistanis as one nation.
During muslim rule of India, they had armies consisting people from Turkey, Arabia, Persia and the locals. It was difficult to communicate themselves and hence this language of military (urdu) developed. Ameer Khusro is supposed to be the early urdu speaker (u must have heard a famous song - mosay naina milayee kay....)
alphabet "pay" is not in arabic but is in persian and as I said earlier it is a mixture of many languages.
You are dead right about its ability to grow as I have noticed that early Indian movies used to have a lot of strong words from Hindi dictionary but over the time they have completely disappeared from most of the movies.
the meaning of urdu is army camp or cantonment during the mughal period the offical language of the court was persian or turkish the military had many soldiers of different ethnic backgroud .
pathans =who spoke pashto or dari
tartars= who spoke turkish
rajputs= who spoke rajasthani hindi
mughal= again farsi or turkish
plus the local shop keepers spoke awadi thats present day bhojpuri or the langugage spoken in uttar pradesh in india
it was a blend of all these languages that gave birth to urdu or (camp) the language started from army base to all over the subcontinent
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Originally posted by NaikLarki:
** I'll post history of urdu here just for you ...but in installments ofcourse. Two pages a day are enough or you want more?
I don't agree that Urdu represents Pakistan coz it is widely spoken in India, Bangladesh, UAE.
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but Mr. it is growing in Pakitan. And no doubt now it's center is Pakitan.
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During muslim rule of India, they had armies consisting people from Turkey, Arabia, Persia and the locals. It was difficult to communicate themselves and hence this language of military (urdu) developed. Ameer Khusro is supposed to be the early urdu speaker (u must have heard a famous song - mosay naina milayee kay....)
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what muslim rule : mughal or others. before mughals there was ibrahim lodhi and others.
what muslim rule you are talking? I guess mughal.
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alphabet "pay" is not in arabic but is in persian and as I said earlier it is a mixture of many languages.
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If urdu is military or camp, and mixture of many languages, then what is hindi? In english I always read Urdu and hindi are same languages but urdu is written in arabic alphabets. and we know urdu is a camp or military in turkish.
"I think hindi was much different at start but later...............
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Originally posted by kabir:
the meaning of urdu is army camp or cantonment during the mughal period the offical language of the court was persian or turkish the military had many soldiers of different ethnic backgroud .
pathans =who spoke pashto or dari
tartars= who spoke turkish
rajputs= who spoke rajasthani hindi
mughal= again farsi or turkish
plus the local shop keepers spoke awadi thats present day bhojpuri or the langugage spoken in uttar pradesh in india
it was a blend of all these languages that gave birth to urdu or (camp) the language started from army base to all over the subcontinent
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Yes this is the point I am trying to make. All people are saying it is a mixture of many languages but I never read it. I always read urdu and hindi are same languages but urdu is written in arabic alphabets.
indeed now a days urdu is spoken in Pakistan and india but indians are writing it in hindi alphabets, while Pakistani are writing it in urdu alphabets. there is difference between persian, arabic and urdu alphabets.
one more point hindi and urdu are differnt languages. urdu was started by muslims for communication. later hindus apopted this language but write it in hindi alphabets and called it hindi.
[This message has been edited by cool down (edited December 29, 2001).]
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Originally posted by who---me:
**That is the question I asked you in the other thread. Tell me an urdu word which is NOT derived from another language.
If you are trying to say that (what we call) Urdu is older than hindi, then you have got yur facts vEEeeRy wrong.
There is nothing to be ashamed about having a language which is derived from other languages.**
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Mr. "who-me" I didn't asked urdu is older than hindi.
everybody included you asked urdu is mixture of many languages. it is founded by muslim rulers of hindustan. "nobody asked there was a language hindi and mughals used this language for communication but write it in arabic alphabets."
alphabets of hindi are very old and I know it.
I asked hindus took urdu language and write it in hindi alphabets. and yes I am agree in urdu mughals used words that were spoken by hindus.
try to understand my message before replying it.
I am looking for facts. what language is more older doesn't mean to me. (just facts mean)
when I heard quotes from old books of bharat I was not able to understand even 1 sentence and they said these books are written in hindi. even many hindi speakers asked they can read it but cannot understand it. That's why I asked they took urdu language and write it in hindi alphabets. once again I'll ask I know how old hindi alphabets are.
If anyperson will proove against me, I'll feel happy. I am a seeker of knowledge. I didn't start this thread for mad at each other, but for facts.
Even english is derived from Latin,Greek & has words from Hindusthani ,Spanish,French etc.etc. So What ??most words have origin from other ancient classical languages.
It is strength of any growing language that it doesnt keep it as STERILE as Sanskrit & pure Hindi.You know Railways & Postal Boxes are called in Pure Hindi ,you will laugh.Bhak Bhak Ka Adda ,& Patar Ghusaerr…On the other Urdu has words from all languages even English like Station Engine Post box are considered kosher to use in urdu literarure prose & poem.
Incidently growth of written documents in usdu show first recognized urdu novel was published as UMRAON JAN ADA ,in 1700yes, which was made into movie both seprately in Pak & India.
Urdu has changed from very formal roots of Lucknow & harsh Delhi schools ,to a rich diverse sweet language specially compared to some regional & hindi /Sanskrit languages.
door ke dhol suhawan
Familiarity breeds Contempt
[This message has been edited by Yusuf Khan (edited December 31, 2001).]
ab tuk kay 6 pages say yah pata chalta hai kay writer urdu kay baray mein nahi hindi kay bara mein baat kar raha hai. jubkay mein urdu ka pooch rahi hoon.
yahi confusion pehlay meray zehan mein hai aur ooper say aur confusion hi aa rahi hai.
phir mein kahoongi kay zuban bohet saaf, achi aur meethi hai. lekin meri satisfiction kay liye kaafi nahi. jis cheez ki mein talash kar rahi hoon voh is mein nahi.
hamesha aisa hi jawab milta hai.
Khan sahib aur kabir nay jo jawab dia hai, mein us say satisfied hoon.
