Urdu snobbery

Hi

Do you know punjabi people, whether its the sikh punjabi style or mirpuri they speak, well it pisses me off when their parents teach them urdu just to act snobby.

I mean if they want their kids to know their home tongue then it is punjabi or mirpuri style not urdu.

The people that are genuinely urdu speakers obviously their kids will speak it.

Sorry if you are offended but I just wanted to get that off my chest. :naraz:

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So are you Punjabi or an Urdu Speaking individual complaining about Punjabis doing that?

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I think she means that these kids speak urdu just to show off.

No harm in that, we see people speaking english when they cannot. (ie: me)

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Show off? I think all Punjabis know urdu and can speak it. I did not get her question? If her question would be to just speak urdu and not punjabi then I would get it :/

Yes just speak urdu but originally they are punjabi.

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I kind of see your point, I dont like this snobbery…that only Urdu is acceptable, or that punjabi is rude. but maybe it is rude? what do i know…im an abcd.

If they are punjabi, its best to teach the kids one language…speak to them in the same…u dont want them to grow up and speak Urdu with English grammar and punjabi accent :bummer:

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I hate it unfortunately my brothers and sisters only know urdu. I know urdu punjabi and memoni. I wish my siblings knew punjabi as well but they don't. Oh and yes my urdu has a punjabi accent in it. Lahori infact.

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I don't see that. I see punjabi parents wanting their children to learn punjabi. Most of my friends speak punjabi and english (no urdu)

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all our punjabi friends teach their kids both urdu n punjabi. since i'm urdu speaking but my hubby is punjabi my kids can't speak punjabi but i want them to learn so when they r among relatives from dad's side they blend in better. Somedays i wanna talk in punjabi too(i hav the vocabulary) but feels shy wat if i say it wrong.

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i don't see anything wrong with that. most of punjabi people i know their kids speaks both urdu and punjabi, one of my friend is punjabi but her kids only understand urdu and english. i never thought it has anything to do with being snobby

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How do you know their parents are teaching them Urdu to just act "snobby"?

I don't get it. If they speak punjabi, it means they shouldn't be taught to speak urdu?

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^ Exactly.

What’s the harm in learning another language, especially one with such a rich poetic history?

Now, it is too bad that Punjabi and other South Asian languages are not given the same kind of acclaim that Urdu often is. Maybe we should think about why Urdu is associated with being “superior” and “snobby” and work on acknowledging the beauty of other languages as well, rather than saying, “You’re Punjabi, stick to your own langauge.” :rolleyes:

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Hmm I see where u are coming from, but I dont think you can blame the parents for wanting to teach their kids urdu and there is no snobbish about that. Snobbish is our community in pakistan where urdu is seen as a high class language while punjabi is only spoken by the ill-mannered. Well, nowadays slowly urdu is being replaced with english. And after english I guess we will all turn to french huh :D

I myself am punjabi and we do speak punjabi at home. But I have often seen that when you tell people "yes, we speak punjabi at home" its frowned upon as if my parents havent done the right thing or that I should lie and say "no no hum to urdu hi ghar mein bolte hain" .. I dont know why this is the case, maybe because punjabi does come across as a "rude" language? I dont know.

Personally, I dont care what people speak as long as they make sense. I dislike those who speak punjabi at home, but as soon as they step outside, they act as if they have never spoken one word of punjabi and act all "ohh we dont know punjabi, its such a silly language" yeah sure and then they bust themselves saying "Hayee une mainu chudi vadi" .. sure sure dear, punjabi to apko aati hi nahin .. tsk tsk!

Urdu and Punjabi are kind of similar and even though my family is punjabi every one talk in punjabi, in urdu and some times mix of both. Specially if you grow up in Pakistan (punjab) you kind of learn urdu automatically even if your parents speak punjabi at home.

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^ I know what you mean. But remember, there are different types of Punjabi.. some people may speak a punjabi closer to urdu, whereas others will speak a more Indian version. It depends where you are from in Pakistan, or even in India.

Nevertheless, anyone can learn how to speak Urdu & teach it to their kids and no one else should have a problem with it. Being born into an "urdu-speaking" family doesn't make you superior or give you the sole right to speak urdu and not others. Like I said before: why the assumption that they are only teaching their kids urdu to sound superior? Unless YOU think its superior? And just because your home tongue is one language (in this case: punjabi), doesn't mean you can't learn another language or speak a language you find to be beautiful (in this case: urdu).

Urdu strawberry?

You meaning urdu fruit? Hai....English is not my firsht langooage, but I am trying to shpeek it. Pleeeze peeplan......don't thinks that I am the showing-off.

Urdu is the national/official of language of Pakistan. While other languages (such as Punjabi, Sindhi, Siraiki, Balochi, Pushto) are also spoken across the country........URDU is the common language that binds us together. Although English is the universal language........lack of education/exposure to English would make it difficult for all people to communicate with one another in Pak. But.....if everyone has learned Urdu........then no matter what province you come from in Pakistan (Punjab, Balochistan, Sindh, NFWP, ) you can still communicate with one another. I think it's kinda cool.

Another example. In the US, English is the official language. Regardless of other languages that are spoken (Spanish, Urdu, French, Arabic, etc).......English helps all people in the country communicate with one another. Now......Black people have their own style of English (Ebonics)...........people living in the northern states have a unique accent to their English........as do the people living in the South. In the end...............it's still English.

Snobbery? Maybe for some people it might be. I have pride in the fact that there are three languages running simultaneously in my home: Urdu, Punjabi, and English. And I feel pride in the fact that I can speak/understand all three of them. My mom took out the time to teach my brother and I how to speak and write urdu. The funny thing is that my parents have a punjabi accent to their urdu. My brother has a stronger accent than my parents. Whereas.......I don't have an accent to my urdu, I've been told. My sister says that my urdu sounds as though I'm from Karachi. Anyhow.........regardless of how it sounds......I have pride....in the fact that I can communicate in my native language. There shouldn't be a monopoly on language.

I'm Punjabi as well. But I've always thought that Punjabi has a rougher texture/sound to it. My mom agrees. When I once asked her about it, she said that you can say a sentence in urdu.......and say the same sentence in Punjabi........and it will sound louder/rougher in Punjabi. It's not meant as an insult........every language sounds different. Some people think Arabic sounds rough too.

I personally like the sound of urdu.......it sounds more graceful. As far as people who think that Punjab is only spoken by the ill-mannered are concerned..................well it doesn't stop these people from listening to Punjabi/bhangra music. It has a totally unique feel to it.........that urdu music doesn't have.

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I would also like to add that for those who are Urdu speakers should not just stick with Urdu and English only. We should also show some support and try to learn or get familiar with other languages of Pakistan. Punjabi is obviously #2 spoken language in Pakistan and very much mainstream and almost all of us can understand it and speak it little bit. However there are other Pakistani languages which get over shadowed sometimes. So try to learn a bit of Sindhi, Pashto, Saraiki, Balochi etc. Pick one and learn it! It helps close the cultural gaps. We have enough of those gaps, you will be surpised how much difference it can make.!