Why do people call it Hindi when its really URDU? (like Indian films are reffered to as Hindi films) Or is it the other way around? From what I know, true HINDI is rarely spoken in india, after looking at a historical “HINDI” dictionary, most of the words are originally either persian or arabic so it would make sense to me that the language is from the Muslims. So why then call it Hindi? or is it just called that because of the different written script? Any historical insight would be helpful…
Re: true hindi being rarely spoken in india.
what is true hindi? india has a bunch of dialects like bhojpuri, avadhi etc. that go under the common name of hindustani or hindi. they are spoken mostly in the states of haryana, rajasthan, uttar pradesh, delhi, madhya pradesh, bihar, himachal pradesh and small parts of several other states. and i dont think most of the words are mostly from arabic or persian. even "hardcore" urdu has quite a good deal non farsi-arabic content. in any case, there is hardly any real way of differentiating what is urdu and what is hindi. many linguists are of the opinion that both are the same language with the minor variations not adequate enough to call them separate languages. both originated from the same forerunner - khariboli.
As long as you talk in 'salees' urdu, or hindi, you cant tell the difference, except from the accent of the person speaking it. However, once you get to the sophisticated words, it gets incomprehensible. If an Urdu scholar came up to you an started using really fancy words, you would only be able to make out the meaning of the sentence, but you wont know the meaning of those fancy words. Same goes with hindi. So for indians, the language spoken in indian films is hindi, and for pakistanis its urdu. But i believe that if they were to get into sophistication, they would use the hindi form of the word, and not the urdu version, which would hence, make the language of indian movies hindi.
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The word Urdu means Kaafla
Urdu is a mixture of many languages ......I have no idea about the origin of Hindi
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kaafla or army?
Urdu is a turkish word, and translated into urdu it means lashkar, and the same is called army in turkey. Laskhar basically means a group of people (in this case, group of words) made up by getting together people (in this case, words) from different areas (in this case, different languages).
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even "hardcore" urdu has quite a good deal non farsi-arabic content
That's because it is urdu not arabic/pharsi.
Urdu, as far as I am aware is a mixture of pharsi/arabic and hindi.
I don't know much about hindi but I do know that when the news is read in hindi on Indian tv channels it is nothing like the 'hindi' spoken in 'hindi' films; which sound remarkably like urdu.
I don't really see why it is such an issue for Indians to admit that common hindi (at least on tv and screen) is basically urdu with a few minor changes. I don't have any problem admitting there are lots of Indian influence on Pakistani culture, eg weddings diet, music etc. Likewise Indians need to come to terms with the fact that muslim rule through Turks and Persians has greatly influenced hindi culture in most of these things, one of the prime examples being language.
Xtreme
Urdu is not just mixture of farsi, arbee, sanskrit but also sindhi, punjabi, pushto, and in some cases mongol, turk .. not just the main turkish but also the variants (uzbek, tajik, and other turk languages of nearby states)
As it was basically the language of the mughal army, it is formed under a sort of muslim leadership but still it does not make it a muslim language as some said earlier in the post but it was mainly created by muslim people.
Xtreme,
That’s because it is urdu not arabic/pharsi.<
of course! dunno how it escaped my notice..
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you yourself admit that you don’t know much about hindi, and that your idea of hindi is that it is the formal language used by newscasters. so hindi movie dialogues are all in urdu. ouch! i’ve watched urdu news on doordarshan too, and going by that, hindi movie dialogs are not urdu, atleast not the kind used in newscasts. hindi film songs, maybe i’d agree, lots of urdu in the lyrics…
theek hain, tho shaam ko milthae hain..
so did that sound like urdu to you? it’s hindi to me. at such conversational levels, both urdu and hindi are the same, ditto with common filmi dialogs, call them urdu if it makes you happy.. 
ps> wasn’t the word urdu derived from something like zaban-e-urdusomething meaning lingo of the military camp or something?
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yes sorry not kafla but lashkar
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All north Indian languages are sanskrit based. Hindi is also sanskrit based with a few borrowed words from english and persian. Everyday spoken Hindi and Urdu is pretty similar although the manner of speaking differs.
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Another dumb comment from Rani the zealot.
The only reason hindi and urdu are similar is because Indians started speaking urdu and then claimed it was hindi. Listen to the news broadcast in genuine hindi and you will barely understand a word.
Indians should thank the muslims for this too. Giving them a common language which could be understood throughout the land.
Why are they so ungrateful? We gave them a united India and we created a beautiful new language which has a little bit of hindi and a little bit of other influences too. Don't be jealous Rani, learn to appreciate the mixing of cultures :)
My personal opinion/knowledge is that Hindi is a language which basically comes from Sanskrit. It also has the Sanskrit script. However, with passage of times it has had influences from different culturtes and languages like Persian/Arabic etc. Urdu on other hand has no history of it's own which goes far back. One can say that Urdu has no background though this is wrong because it is a language which is derived from different great languages like persian, Arabic, Turkish, Sanskrit, and now English. We can say it is the most hospitable language. It has made communication for many people around the globe and especially in the subcontinent easier because it is for a diversity of people to understand like Sindhis, Punjabis and Hindus etc. It is also one of the most diverse and pleasent languages and has many of the qualities of the above languages. I agree with some things Mr Xtreme and other people say(infact many) though they are mistaken at times.
Xtreme
REMEMBER TO RESPECT OTHER CULTURES AND IDEAS.
"U" SAID IT "MIXING OF CULTURES" :)
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Mr. Xtreme....everyone know that Hindi is derived from Sanskrit. Where is the question of copying from each others languages. If you think what we speak is Urdu, fine. If you want us to say (or "admit" in your words) that Hindi is basically Urdu, fine...but that would not be the truth. Muslim culture has had a lot of positive influence on India -- no one denies that. Everyone in India respects Urdu.
As far as "giving us a United India", you obviously are ignoring the Maurya or the Ashoka empire -- very convenient !! As far as giving us a language that "is understood throughout the land", you're wrong again. About 35 to 40% of Indians understand some form of Hindi, so a majority of Indians donot understand Hindi. You certainly speak with authority on India and it's customs ! But I liked that last line about "mixing of cultures". If you really believe in it --- great !! I thought you were all for keeping Pakistani identity and culture seperate from India !! But it's nice if you're changing your opinions. I'm all for "mixing of cultures" :)
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Mr Xtreme talks on all topics as if he is an authority on it though he hardly knows of any. He is also vey rude and does not have ethics and ettiquates in his dictionery.
I want to change my user name. can anybody enlighten me on this plz. :)
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Xtreme,
thought we addressed the news broadcast issue of yours before?
Indians should thank the muslims for this too.<
"Indians" include muslims too. funny how you make such off the cuff remarks and finally pass labels like >Rani the zealot<.
We gave them a united India and we created..blah blah..<
we? now you are pushing your luck too hard. who's this "we"? punjabis? baluchis? pathans? sindhis? sorry, i really dont think so. my contenders would be the persians, ashoka, chandragupta maurya and maybe even the marathas..
also, please note, no one's denied that urdu is a sweet and pleasing language, and that muslims were greatly responsible for it's creation.
Mohd. Ali,
It also has the Sanskrit script.<
the devnagri script, to be precise. sanskrit was originally written in the brahmi script by the aryans. almost every script in india is a form of evolved brahmi. devnagri happens to be one of them, marathi, nepali and sanskrit are written using this script.
ok