Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
In the past we had some sort of relationship with Persia due to Moghul courts. Now we dont have that plus a Hindi onslaught. In the long run I believe Persia will lose out.
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
In the past we had some sort of relationship with Persia due to Moghul courts. Now we dont have that plus a Hindi onslaught. In the long run I believe Persia will lose out.
so Iqbal's kalaam will get tougher and tougher for understanding of new generations in Pakistan
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
English became what it is to the world now by adopting, loot, thug, and in fact, the old english is too different from modern world. Native languages will change as well, for good or bad, that is debatable :)
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
Yes, but such is the fate of languages. Look at how much English has changed.
I think the bigger problem for urdu is that there are not well-known equivalences for many terms, particularly in the sciences and technology. There are two views on this, one being that we need to develop equivalent words in our own language in order to keep that language going forward. The other view is that we should just take the words as they come (usually from English). I saw a clip once where Hassan Nisar espoused this second view. Personally, I'm more for the first one. It's what Turkey ended up doing.
With regards to not understanding Allama Iqbal's kalaam, in Turkey they actually developed an entire market for translating older Ottoman text.
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I was actually reading a few days ago about pre-partition attempts to write urdu in Devanagari and then during the time of Ayub Khan, the possibility of using latin scripts for both Urdu and bengali. Still have to finish the reading but it's interesting.
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
Interesting point is that Shah Iran during his visits to Pakistan in 196s and 1970s felt that Persian as spoken and used in Pakistan was from the era when Humayon got refuge in Iran during 16th century. The Persian spoken in Iran had gone through major changes in between.
Thats true. The classical persian is now spoken in Afghanistan called Dari, when the modern persian is in Iran.
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
You can look it the other way and say Hindi is getting persianised, Bollywood is a pretty good example of that.
If there's a widening gap between written formal Urdu and spoken formal Urdu, then that is quite problematic and needs to be addressed. In regards to Iqbal's poetry, well as far as I am concerned, not any layman can pick up his poems and make a total sense of it. It is very much a great academic subject on its own. So I reckon, as long Pakistanis can preserve and cherish Iqbal the way Britain has done with Shakespeare, there's nothing to worry about.
Re: Urdu is getting De-persianised?
Thats true. The classical persian is now spoken in Afghanistan called Dari, when the modern persian is in Iran.
Even dari is being influenced by hindi/urdu. You'll see some words like paisa in there now. Mostly a kabul thing, I'd wager.