Urdu as our national langauge

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Punjabi, Hindi and English

in Uttar Pradesh, the station names are in Hindi, English and Urdu like:

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yes, it is one of the words sometimes used but i think it should be:

kal-purza-daaN :)

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How many radio stations were there in parts which formed part of Pakistan in 1947? Were these channels covering all the population? Name some Urdu poets who had recognition among masses of all the areas (that formed part of Pakistan) in 1947.

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@muqawwee123 'raagdarbari' novel me ek sentence hai "science saala bina angreji kaise a sakta hai" :) Both hindi and Urdu are new languages contain words from different languages and I think played vital role in communication (journals, newspapers, pamplets etc) and providing political msg in different linguistic regions during freedom struggle. This could b a reason. If remember right both were collectively known as Hindustani though I read somewhere that Urdu was called Rekhta.

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yes…Ghalib used this word in his she’r:
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ReKhte ke tumhiiN ustaad nahiiN ho, “Ghalib!”
kahte haiN agle zamaane meN koii “Meer” bhii thaa**

Meer = Meer Taqii Meer [Khuda-e-suKhan=god of poetry] :slight_smile:

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Rekhta k alawa b ek nam se jani jati thi. Apka homework.

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For most of the part, India has used its cultural diversification as a strength. Other than having English as one of the official language, India never shied away from the fact that so many people speak so many different languages. To this day, India is using language as a main tool to keep creating more states. On the other hand, we did foolish experiments like One Unit, and still are so much against creating more provinces.

I think the word Urdu came from Zuban-e-Urdu-e-Mualla, not from Rekhta. Rekhta means something else.

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It is unfair to the extent that those people who do not speak Urdu as a first language must learn it to do well in school and competitive examinations. Essentially, they need to learn at least three languages; their native language, Urdu and English to do well in academics in Pakistan.

It is, however, a failure of non-Urdu speaking people to give deserved respect to their languages, specially people from Punjab. They look down upon their own language!

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I kind of agree. At least to a non Punjabi like myself, it seems that Punjabis themselves brought their language down to the lingo of bhaand and jugat baazi and that is it. All the adeebs and poets from Punjab are mostly working in Urdu language.

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I think there is lot of misconception regarding Urdu and people speaking Urdu as first language.

Misconception 1: Urdu is mother tongue of 8 percent Pakistanis (usually Muhajirs).
Fact: Urdu is mother tongue of none. All who consider Urdu as mother tongue, they or their recent ancestors adopted Urdu during last 50 to 200 years abandoning their regional languages.

Misconception 2: Urdu belongs to any region in subcontinent.
Fact: Urdu do not belong to any region in subcontinent

Misconception 3: First Language of Muhajirs is Urdu.
Fact: Fore-fathers of most Muhajirs adopted Urdu leaving their regional languages and once in Pakistan there was no way they could even learn their regional language.

Misconception 4: Muslims imposed Urdu over Subcontinent,
Fact: Muslim rulers always had court language Persian, though a new language was getting developed in people all over Subcontinent, specially northern India ... and that language was using nouns and adjectives from Persian, Arabic and Turkish ... while verb, with little modification, was coming from north Indian languages that was common from Punjab to Bengal.

Anyhow, British realizing that court language (Persian) was only language of few, while Urdu is getting used all over India, decided to adopt Urdu as language of India and further promote Urdu development.

Misconception 5: Urdu mostly developed in Delhi, UP or Bihar.
Fact: Development of Urdu started in Lahore and it was mostly Punjab that promoted Urdu, followed by Delhi, some areas of UP, and Hyderabad Deccan.

Actually, Delhi itself is part of Punjab, got separated from Punjab because it became Capital of India, just like Islamabad got separated from Punjab because it became capital of Pakistan.

Since Urdu mostly developed in Punjab, the role of Urdu development was played mostly by Punjabis (Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs). That is the reason, most Urdu writers and poets are Punjabis. Even many singers of Urdu poetry were Punjabis.

Here are some famous Urdu writers from Punjab excluding Delhi, as inclusion of Delhi would add many more. All were born and started writing before Pakistan.

Alama Mohammad Iqbal
Altaf hussain Hali
Saadat Hasan Manto
Hafeez Jalandhari
Faiz ahmed Faiz
Ahmed Nadeem Qasmi
Ibn-e-Insha
Habib Jalib
Shorish Kashmiri
Razia Butt
Bano Qudsia
Qateel Shifai
Altaf Gauhar

And ... many many more

I am putting down couple of famous non-Muslim writers from Punjab too

Rajinder Singh Bedi
Krishan Chander

Even though I have not included any writer/poet born in Delhi, many writers/poets from Delhi are also from Punjab.

As for one who served Urdu most in Pakistan, it was Jang Group .., Mr Khalil-ur-Rahman. He started Jang newspaper in Delhi and migrated to Karachi-Pakistan from Delhi after partition. In Pakistan, his family started GEO TV. ... But, but ... even though one can say that he is Muhajir ... he is actually from Kasur-Punjab, where his family belongs to and where he was born. Later he moved to Delhi.

In Pakistan, as well as India, Indian move songs played a vital role in spreading Urdu. Here also, of top Indian movie song writers, half or more are from Punjab. Here are some names:

Anand Baskshi
Sahir Ludhianvi
Rajhinder Krishan
Prem Dhavan
Shailendra
DN Madhok
Kumar
D Kholi
etc ....

So, one can say that of any province or area in subcontinent, Punjab has most connection with Urdu (even if one excludes Delhi). Only difference between Urdu speaking Muhajirs and Punjabis is that, Muhajirs left their provinces and regional languages at the time of partition, and thus adopted Urdu completely abandoning language of their province. It was need of time too, as in Karachi we have people with various regional languages, hence Urdu became one language all could speak and understand, hence adoption became natural. As for Punjabis, they have adopted and speak Urdu (much before Muhajirs), but at the same time they have not completely abandoned regional language.

So, you can say that Urdu is language of Punjab as much as Punjabi, even more. Only difference is that, Urdu is not exclusively language of Punjab, but most of Indian subcontinent shares the ownership of this language ... and that is across provinces, religion, culture, cast, color or whatever.

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Adaab

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@TLK the word Zuban-e-Urdu-Maulla was first appeard around 17-18th century (correct me if I am wrong) while there are Urdu poets from earlier date so this language was known as from names also. @Sa1eem Can you name some Urdu poets from earlier date like 14-15th century from from Pakistani Punjab region? also cite some reasonable & authantic reference of your fact.

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Urdu word came from Turkish meaning 'lashkari zabaan'.

the root of the Faarsii word 'reKhta' is 'rekhtan' which means Poured out; scattered; mixed

*reKhta = poured out, scattered. mixed
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these meanings define Urdu pretty much...words from other languages are poured in [added]. the speakers of the language are scattered in patches and it's a mixture of different languages.

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is it Hindustani?

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@TLK I think national language should be promoted all over the country at the same time local languages/dialects should be taken care of. As far as policy is concerned, one should have sound understanding, you should see Parliament debate recording if available. There may be fair reasons.

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nah, I have to see from where I read, I don't remember :) kavitakosh or some othe literature site.

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Indian currency notes have 15 languages inscribed on them. here are a few examples:

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Re. 1 note is the ONLY one issued by the Government of India while other denomination notes are issued by Reserve Bank of India.

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i think you are referring to the name "Lashkarii zabaan"...Urdu [Ordu] in Turkish means Lashkarii zabaan.

am i correct?

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ni ye ni tha

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No that's not it. Most Punjabis are simply not apologetic about about the fact their language lends itself so very well to humour and banter, and self depreciating humour is very much part of the general Punjabi characteristics. Yes Jugat Baazi is a genre that has the most entertainment value, at times, it is pure improvisation hence more popular.

I feel there's a surge to re-claim the entertainment genre of jugat baazi and present is as a form of stage art. Just like how most posh Italian restaurants in the West proudly serve hearty dishes that were once looked down as peasant food in Italy.

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All the adeebs and poets from Punjab are mostly working in Urdu language

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This is not any different from Ilama Iqbal, a native Punjabi speaker who composed his best work in Persian (not Urdu) because of the stylistic depth it offered.

But yes Punjabis in general don't have a very rigid sense of identity. They as a group are very flexible and accommodating to external influences.