Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
^^ The story is real and report is genuine. The police and the authorities were reluctant to investigate the issue properly because they feared being accused of racial discrimination against Pakistanis. This is such shameful behavior by these men pf Pakistani origin and points to a cultural problem. Accepting the reality would be the first step; going into denial mode straightaway is deplorable.
I agree, it's a cultural problem. Most UK pakis don't have any respect or morals. They are brought up repressed, or the opposite which is being allowed to do anything they want as long as they're home by 10pm.. I can understand why people in the UK stereotype all people of pakistani origin into one box but personally I hope when I meet people who have this set perception that i'm able to show them that not all of us behave the way in which they have seen others from my origin be like. That they at least give me a chance, I think people at work know i'm different and i'm pretty happy with that.
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
Whenever I go onto a brit newspaper there's always an article on some Asian gang (mostly Muslim) being arrested for pimping out girls. This has been going on for years for me at least. At least have the common courtesy to pimp out your own Pakistani 14 year old.
There's many articles about white people doing it aswell, but because it's so common it doesn't make an interesting read. Now if you put "pakistani/asian men gang target 2000 11yr olds to pimp out". This makes good news, link it up to them being muslim and boom. You got a seller.
I've read a few articles about pakistani girls being lured into this type of thing. It's not uncommon. All I gotta say is, no matter which colour/race/ethnic group you belong to. If this was my sister or cousin who fell into this trap, I wouldn't be calling no police. I'd be dealing with it myself.
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I like how they point out these are "Pakistanis"....
When Amir Khan wins these pricks a Gold, he's BRITISH all of a sudden. All the more why Amir Khan is showing his Pakistani roots more and more often in public...
I couldn't give a rats arse of Britain's problem...this is THERE problem...they isolated these folks, they created it...they fix it.
I don't agree that "they" isolated "these folks". No one isolated anyone. Alot of pakistanis in the UK just seem to wanna create a divide between themselfs and people of other colours for no apparent reason and than cry racism when it's their fault.
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It seems to be a case of the authorities not protecting vulnerable girls and are now claiming they did this because they didn't want to appear racist ex post facto to try and protect their own behinds. Do they not arrest Asian men for other crimes? Like fraud theft etc. so why are they scared on only this one crime?
these are sickening crimes and the perpetrators should have been arrested and convicted. There has been a serious dereliction of duty and the authorities involved should also be prosecuted along with the disgusting men as they have failed to protect the vulnerable victims.
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They will be in jail for life. However this does seem to be a cultural issue, not sure what that issue is but cases like this only ever seem to involve Pakistanis. Not paedophile cases in general but cases involving large amounts of underage girls who are living in care, being plied with drink and drugs, trafficked between each other etc etc. However Pakistanis like on this thread cry foul and pretend its nothing to do with them. Well it has because they are running your name in the mud whether you like it or not.
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
It seems to be a case of the authorities not protecting vulnerable girls and are now claiming they did this because they didn't want to appear racist ex post facto to try and protect their own behinds. Do they not arrest Asian men for other crimes? Like fraud theft etc. so why are they scared on only this one crime?
these are sickening crimes and the perpetrators should have been arrested and convicted. There has been a serious dereliction of duty and the authorities involved should also be prosecuted along with the disgusting men as they have failed to protect the vulnerable victims.
Race riots maybe? Fraud isn't going to stir up people's emotions the way gang rapes could do..
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Race riots maybe? Fraud isn't going to stir up people's emotions the way gang rapes could do..
i dnt buy this excuse. The authorities have been caught in their negligence and are now trying to find an excuse. They failed to act and in doing so children were raped by these scum. Prison for life is too soft a punishment for the scum who abuse children.
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These men are British ... They are second generation Pakistanis or Pakistanis who have lived many years in the UK ... and have the worst concoction of ideals from both cultures.
Also the types of girls they groom are on a spectrum ... Many of them are not white, and yes, there are Pakistanis among them ... Female cousins of some of these men are caught in this too. The majority of the girls are from families that do not care about these things ... There is a strong trend in the UK of those regions of under aged sex in general and such girls need minimal grooming ... They opt for such things to receive "gifts" ... Because they would be too poor to get anything like that ... Some are doing it to support drug habits ... The abuse and threat cases are genuine but limited in number ... The one thing the UK government will not accept is that this is not a Pakistani problem ... It is a cultural problem of the UK ... They have destroyed the sanctity of marriage and sex and now they say these "crimes" are happening ...
And they can't get over the fact that despite these 12, 13, and 14 year olds being part of this, there are also 15, 16, 17 plus year olds also part of this ... The age is not the problem ... It is the act itself outside of marriage ... The sharing around of these "victims" and prostitution also happens but for a girl aged 15 that is abuse but a girl aged 16 or 17 that is prostitution? The age fixation is not going the highlight the issue properly.
The younger girls look up to the older ones, some lie about their ages ... It is a mess.
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It is indeed a mess psayh but in this case and others like this family members and even the girls themselves were ignored by police when they reported the crimes. In two cases the fathers were arrested because the police thought they were controlling the girls and not allowing them to grow up. There seems to be a culture of no respect for parents in UK not only by the teenagers but by the authorities. The police and other authorities are now trying to wash their hands off this mess by saying that they were scared of being called racist. That for the want of a better word is lame. Their have been other gangs in places which are mixed and some even all white.
As as I said before they are trying to cover their own selves.
this is an interesting article. Nazir afzal who did the first successful prosecution of a sex exploitation gang in Oxford I think. The issue isn’t pakistani. Where the gang is white the media coverage isn’t as exhaustive. The issue is that men saw young vulnerable children and abused them, are abusing them and the authorities did not stop them
from the article
His role means he has oversight of all child sex abuse cases in England and Wales. “So I know that the vast majority of offenders are British white male,” he says, setting the number at somewhere between 80 and 90%. “We have come across cases all over the country and the ethnicity of the perpetrators varies depending on where you are … It is not the abusers’ race that defines them. It is their attitude to women that defines them.”
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
These men are British ... They are second generation Pakistanis or Pakistanis who have lived many years in the UK ... and have the worst concoction of ideals from both cultures.
Also the types of girls they groom are on a spectrum ... Many of them are not white, and yes, there are Pakistanis among them ... Female cousins of some of these men are caught in this too. The majority of the girls are from families that do not care about these things ... There is a strong trend in the UK of those regions of under aged sex in general and such girls need minimal grooming ... They opt for such things to receive "gifts" ... Because they would be too poor to get anything like that ... Some are doing it to support drug habits ... The abuse and threat cases are genuine but limited in number ... The one thing the UK government will not accept is that this is not a Pakistani problem ... It is a cultural problem of the UK ... They have destroyed the sanctity of marriage and sex and now they say these "crimes" are happening ...
And they can't get over the fact that despite these 12, 13, and 14 year olds being part of this, there are also 15, 16, 17 plus year olds also part of this ... The age is not the problem ... It is the act itself outside of marriage ... The sharing around of these "victims" and prostitution also happens but for a girl aged 15 that is abuse but a girl aged 16 or 17 that is prostitution? The age fixation is not going the highlight the issue properly.
The younger girls look up to the older ones, some lie about their ages ... It is a mess.
Yes. Blame the victims. Make it about British culture of sex outside marriage. Over emphasis on age? As if a 11 year old asked for it? Seriously?
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Yes. Blame the victims. Make it about British culture of sex outside marriage. Over emphasis on age? As if a 11 year old asked for it? Seriously?
No, 11 year olds aspire to be like their elders, peers and role models.
But I didn't mention the age 11 ... you did ... It really is crazy ... most children at the age of 11 know exactly a to z of babies and contraception - thanks to UK education.
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No, 11 year olds aspire to be like their elders, peers and role models.
But I didn't mention the age 11 ... you did ... It really is crazy ... most children at the age of 11 know exactly a to z of babies and contraception - thanks to UK education.
You didn't. The article did.
What you did mention was overemphasis on age - that is, how is 14 or 15 yrs different from 16 or 17? It is common sense that a 14 yr old is not nearly as mature as a 17 yr old.
How is the knowledge of 11 yr olds wrt to babies contraception relevant to their getting raped?
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
You didn't. The article did.
What you did mention was overemphasis on age - that is, how is 14 or 15 yrs different from 16 or 17? It is common sense that a 14 yr old is not nearly as mature as a 17 yr old.
How is the knowledge of 11 yr olds wrt to babies contraception relevant to their getting raped?
Peace Southie
There are some 14 year olds who are as mentally aware and sexually active and some 17 year olds who are not. Age is an arbitrary boundary line. Knowledge of a matter dismantles taboos, and increases mental maturity which affects physical maturity. It also means that desires and aspirations with the know how of avoiding consequences (such as diseases and pregnancies) increases the chances of willful premarital sex. Moral boundaries are lowered and economic despots add to the already rife consumer culture means that impoverished people who are vulnerable are at increased risk of coming across men who are going to exploit that situation, giving gifts for sex and a means to hide that activity. Trust me I don't condone any of this ... But it is important to highlight the problem properly.
Society and culture, the government and media are to be blamed along with the men and parents of these victims - whether they are underaged or not ... because according to me a 21 year old who is doing this for the same reason as the 14 year old is just as much a victim ... Perhaps for you that 21 year old is not a victim if she is doing it willfully ... but as explained I don't think that way.
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
Peace Psyah
A 21 year old who does it of her free will is not a victim. A 21 year old who is forced into prostitution is a victim. That is why legalization of prostitution would remove this issue.
A minor who is raped - is a minor who is raped. As some suggested, capital punishment is called for.
Re: Upto 1400 children abused by mostly Pakistani gangs in UK city.
i dnt buy this excuse. The authorities have been caught in their negligence and are now trying to find an excuse. They failed to act and in doing so children were raped by these scum. Prison for life is too soft a punishment for the scum who abuse children.
They were negligent but there are other cases like that of "Baby P" and that girl Victoria (can't remember her surname sorry) which involved kids being abused by parents or people linked to their parents and the council failed to step in and deal with those properly as well.. "Baby P" was of course white (but of Polish or Eastern European origin I think?) and Victoria was black.. What these children seem to have in common is their "lower" social background, coming from disadvantaged and/or troubled families.. If we were talking about middle or upper-class kids I'm sure the police and social services would have taken them much more seriously..
Btw Psyah some of these girls were as young as TEN.. Even an "advanced" ten year-old is not going to be able to deal with guys of twenty, thirty of forty.. Many if not most 12-14 year-olds wouldn't either.. I was taught sex ed at a fairly young age and about contraception in my very early teens but I certainly didn't know what constituted normal healthy sexual relationships, that comes with age and life experience.. Lucky for me I didn't grow up in an environment where there were predatory men running around trying to take advantage of that.. As for the girls "wanting" it did you not read about them being threatened and stalked?? One girl described having **petrol **poured over her and the guy threatening to set her alight when she tried to stop what was happening.. Another mentioned a guy threatening to harm her sister.. If these were real consensual relationships and not abuse why would the men be behaving like that when the girls wanted to stop??
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What no one has said in this thread is that most of these pakistani grooming gangs are mirpuris up in north england.I have come to know mirpuris are most hated paki community in britain and that other asians and pakistanis dont want anything to do with them.