the army of Islam so to speak killing Muslims! Its tragic.
The problem in a nutshell. The concept of having an army for a religion as opposed to a state with a religion is what bought us the taliban in the first place.
Thank you !
Taliban’s are pro-Wahhabi Sunni Islamist, predominately Pashtun fundamentalist religious and political movement, funded & created by ISI & CIA with matching funds from Saudia & USA, this is history and no one can change it.
Now some of the karnamey
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The Taliban implemented one of the “strictest interpretation of Sharia law ever seen in the Muslim world” including the complete ban of education for girls… err…actually it wasn’t even real sharia, their ideology is basically a innovative form of sharia combining Pashtun tribal codes.
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Taliban do not consider Shias to be Muslims. The Taliban also declared the Hazara ethnic group, which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan’s population, “not Muslims.”
**Source: **http://www.hrw.org/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0-03.htm#P186_38364 -
They didn’t hold elections and they explain their ideology as follows:
The Sharia does not allow politics or political parties. That is why we give no salaries to officials or soldiers, just food, clothes, shoes and weapons. We want to live a life like the Prophet lived 1400 years ago and jihad is our right. We want to recreate the time of the Prophet and we are only carrying out what the Afghan people have wanted for the past 14 years*
- They ban everything which they seem right according to their tribal code (Islam has nothing to do with it) for ex. Women Education & Employment, Shaving, Television, Music, Movies, Dancing, hanging, pictures in home.
Awww.. i found a Taliban prohibition list:
anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, and equipment that produces the joy of music, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards.
Men were required to have a beard extending farther than a fist clamped at the base of the chin. On the other hand, they had to wear their head hair short. Men were also required to wear a head covering
Possession was forbidden of depictions of living things, whether drawings, paintings or photographs, stuffed animals, and dolls
These rules were issued by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Suppression of Vice (PVSV) and enforced by its “religious police,” a concept thought to be borrowed from the Wahhabis (in saudia known as religious police). In newly conquered towns hundreds of religious police beat offenders (typically men without beards and women who were not wearing their burqas properly) with long sticks.
- Treatment of Women
Women in particular were targets of the Taliban’s restrictions. They were prohibited from working; from wearing clothing regarded as “stimulating and attractive,” including the “Iranian chador,” (viewed as insufficiently complete in its covering); from taking a taxi without a “close male relative”; washing clothes in streams; or having their measurements taken by tailors.
Women were made to wear the burqa, a traditional dress covering the entire body except for a small screen to see out of. Taliban restrictions became more severe after they took control of the capital. In February 1998, religious police forced all women off the streets of Kabul and issued new regulations ordering “householders to blacken their windows, so women would not be visible from the outside.”
Typical treatment by Taliban (video):
Dude instead of contradicting, let me remind you we are discussing Taliban not Iraq, as far as Osama Bin Landen concerned, i wish he is died by now either by a bullet or kidney failure, Inshallah !
Don’t worry, If ISI/CIA can create them from unknown sperm, they can wipe their DNA too.
This is a news to me, please back it with some source. As far as i know their is only two major tribe exist their and that is Kalaash & Khow.
I don’t consider Taliban a military threat, but a idealogical one, which must be defeated at all cost. Thankfully, their is consensus among Establishment of Pakistan on this regards, and the great thing is total mindset change happened in People of Pakistan after they watch the atrocities of Taliban’s/Extremists and failure of peace deals.
FYI: Pakistan is not losing anything, we haven’t fully went against this menace until last week, as crucial public support is now available. All the religious/Political leaders are coming against them. A total turn around happened, and hope of optimism is mounting.
Most of the FATA area is cleared out, FC defeated the Taliban menace in Bajour and now moving towards Swat, from the lower south Pak Army is moving upwards to crush the thugs/killers in Mengora.
Because Our Nation is at war, our security services are laying life’s so we can sleep at night. So women of Pakistan don’t have to threatened by Beard Monkeys, so the children of Pakistan can go to schools freely.
That’s why they are fighting and people of Pakistan fully support them.
***Now Come Again .. ***
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Possibly good news from elsewhere, though who knows who killed them and why. Hopefully, it will cause more infighting between talibs.
Mehsud aide killed in S Waziristan
TANK: A Taliban commander close to Baitullah Mehsud was among six people found dead from various areas of South Waziristan on Monday – two months after the men went missing, said local elders. The bullet-riddled body of commander Tikka Khan Burki – Taliban chief for Salayrogha area in upper Kaniguram region – was found in Karwanmanza area of Ladah tehsil. staff report
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Also, where are all the taliban spokesmen? They usually like to be on TV 24/7? Are they hiding or just getting camera shy again? Malvi Umer has been absent for a while - last I heard from him was when he was promising to die in Loesam, but then surface somewhere else for a little while. What about baitullah mehsud, malvi fakir, muslim khan?
This silence could be a very good or a very bad thing.
What happens when innocents are bombed? Putting aside drone attacks, and other shelled areas, what will those innocent people do?
They'll take their own revenge, by suicide bombings, ambushes, and planned attacks.
Thats the real threat.
Thats what Pakistan should try to stop. By bombing a phantom threat, and trying to fill up a number sheet to please the American government ( who do not hold Pakistan as an ally in reality ) the Pak army is just heading towards a disastrous path.
Wow, irony at its best!
It is ok that those murderer animal Taliban kill thousands with suicide bombs, destroy any school that comes their way, exhume deadbodies and lynch them, hold the whole population hostage and kill for pleasure, because it is a "reaction". But it is NOT OK that our brave solidiers, who were holding back for the fear of civilian casualities for so long, start kicking Taliban A$$ finally?
I am amazed!
We are ready for sacrifice and collateral damage. THE OPERATION MUST CONTINUE until these areas are cleared from the cockroach turlibans
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Updates - War against the thugs of Fazullah, Helliborn troops lands in strong hold of Fazullah the traitor
Heliborne troops land in Peochar: Army - GEO.tv
SWAT: Pakistan army heliborne troops landed at a key Taliban stronghold in the northwest district of Swat on Tuesday, stepping up an offensive against militants, military officials said.
“Army heliborne troops have landed at Peochar,” said a military official referring to a sparsely populated hilly area in northern Swat that had been under Taliban control.
He said it was the first time helicopter borne troops had landed in Peochar since the offensive began last week. The area is the abode of chief of Tehreek-e-Taliban Swat Maulvi Fazlullah.
“The operation is right now in progress,” added another military official in the northwest region.
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Fazlu may have already escaped in a burqa as an IDP.
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^ 
.. that’s what they do..
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Dir cleared of Taliban
Source: DAWN.COM | Provinces | Dir cleared of Taliban, claims ANP leader
ISLAMABAD: Awami National Party’s Information Secretary Senator Zahid Khan claimed on Monday that security forces operating in upper and lower Dir districts had flushed out or killed almost all Taliban militants.
However, he said, the forces were still facing stiff resistance in Mingora although most of the government buildings in the Swat town had been cleared of militants.
Talking to newsmen outside the parliament house, he said the provincial government had done its home work for rebuilding and rehabilitating government and private buildings destroyed in the war and it would need at least Rs80 to Rs90 billion for the job.
Mr Khan said he had been informed that the Taliban were on the run in Dir and a number of them had been seen fleeing after shaving off their beards.
He expressed the hope that the military operation would end sooner than expected because local people were now coming out in support of the troops fighting foreign elements and forcing them out of their areas.
Answering a question about the problem of transport faced by the fleeing people, the ANP leader said the government had allowed the vehicles on which customs duty had not been paid to carry stranded people. Such vehicles are not allowed to ply on roads in areas other than Malakand.
He said the NWFP government would soon start reconstruction work and payment of compensation to the heir of innocent people killed by the militants.
Pak Army Zindabad :jhanda:
I am just afraid they are killing women children and just about everyone that comes their way....who knows. Its beyond a failure when a state's military is killing its own people. Last time Pakistani military had to turn on its on people the a new country was crated I wonder what will happen this time! Even if they are killing Talibs its nothing to be happy about, the army of Islam so to speak killing Muslims! Its tragic.
When you don't know then its better to be quiet, thank you.
it can also act as frontline when u defend america and nato also.
So defending Swat school girls from being poison gassed by taliban is to defend america?
Kahin kee eent, kahin ka rora,
bhan mati nay LOGIC jora.
Perhaps a crash course in Logic 101 is in order.
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I read this line of your post Wine, and I knew you had not even a single iota of who the Taliban were. Your copy and paste post did nothing to help your cause, but further spew the propaganda filth that hrw is used to exposing.
You need to stop reading armchair scholars, and look at people who were on the front lines with the Taliban government. People like Ridley and Davis, who had first hand documented experiences with the Taliban. Thats my source, not something coming out of CNN.
Wow, irony at its best! It is ok that those murderer animal Taliban kill thousands with suicide bombs, destroy any school that comes their way, exhume deadbodies and lynch them, hold the whole population hostage and kill for pleasure, because it is a "reaction". But it is NOT OK that our brave solidiers, who were holding back for the fear of civilian casualities for so long, start kicking Taliban A$$ finally?
I am amazed!
We are ready for sacrifice and collateral damage. THE OPERATION MUST CONTINUE until these areas are cleared from the cockroach turlibans
Do you want to see if they really do wipe them out? Or create more new ones?
Don't get too excited buddy, Pak Army isn't as dumb as some of the people cheering them on to be.
this does not excuse the suicide bombing of innocent civilians which has been the taliban's major flaw.
if your forgettingthe taliban are trying to assert their control over pakistan and they will be the cause of the break up of it.
you either support the ctaliban or yousupport pakistan. theres really no other option.
What happens when innocents are bombed? Putting aside drone attacks, and other shelled areas, what will those innocent people do?
They'll take their own revenge, by suicide bombings, ambushes, and planned attacks.
Thats the real threat.
Thats what Pakistan should try to stop. By bombing a phantom threat, and trying to fill up a number sheet to please the American government ( who do not hold Pakistan as an ally in reality ) the Pak army is just heading towards a disastrous path.
ridley was with the taliban for a very short span.
she lives a very public life.
the taliban think its haram for women to live like her - she does not wear a nikab. she does notcover herself in that HORRID burqa with a mesh for eyes like women dont exist. she works. she appears on tv. she sits with men and discusses issues with them.
we know who the real taliban are. they are a bunch of barbarians who massacred hazaras, tajiks, uzbeks. they FAILED to do a single thing for their people except bring law and order.
they have no understanding of islam. stop making excuses for the taliban.
I read this line of your post Wine, and I knew you had not even a single iota of who the Taliban were. Your copy and paste post did nothing to help your cause, but further spew the propaganda filth that hrw is used to exposing.
You need to stop reading armchair scholars, and look at people who were on the front lines with the Taliban government. People like Ridley and Davis, who had first hand documented experiences with the Taliban. Thats my source, not something coming out of CNN.
Do you want to see if they really do wipe them out? Or create more new ones?
Don't get too excited buddy, Pak Army isn't as dumb as some of the people cheering them on to be.
I read this line of your post Wine, and I knew you had not even a single iota of who the Taliban were. Your copy and paste post did nothing to help your cause, but further spew the propaganda filth that hrw is used to exposing.
You need to stop reading armchair scholars, and look at people who were on the front lines with the Taliban government. People like Ridley and Davis, who had first hand documented experiences with the Taliban. Thats my source, not something coming out of CNN.
Please name some books by JUI (Fazalu or Molana Diesel) on complete elaboration on what are Taliban, if that's what you want me to read?
Bhai mere my information is not coming from CNN either, most of it is from Ahmed Rashid, he is the only current living authority on Central Asia & Taliban, please do study some of his work:
1) Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia
2) The Resurgence of Central Asia: Islam or Nationalism?
3) Jihad: The Rise of Militant Islam
4) Descent Into Chaos
As far Ridley concerned, i think you don't know the way she lives, if Taliban knows about it, maybe they send a special suicide bomber for her.
Oki let me make it easy, pro-Wahhabi Sunni Islamist, predominately Pashtun movement
yes or no :)
I read this line of your post Wine, and I knew you had not even a single iota of who the Taliban were. Your copy and paste post did nothing to help your cause, but further spew the propaganda filth that hrw is used to exposing.
You need to stop reading armchair scholars, and look at people who were on the front lines with the Taliban government. People like Ridley and Davis, who had first hand documented experiences with the Taliban. Thats my source, not something coming out of CNN.
I'll ask again, are you confusing Taliban of Afghansistan with Taliban of Pakistan? cuz both are different.
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Commandos dropped into Fazlullah’s den
By Hameedulah Khan & Haleem Asad
Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 | 11:45 PM PST |
MINGORA / TIMERGARA: The military operation in Swat entered a crucial stage on Tuesday when commando units were dropped by helicopters on mountains around the Taliban headquarters in Peochar, said to be the hideout of the chieftain of militants in the region, Maulana Fazlullah.
Official sources said that a fleet of at least 13 helicopters flew over the Peochar valley and dropped commandos on mountains as the army intensified its offensive in the region.
People in adjoining Dir also reported seeing several helicopters hovering over the area and dropping commandos on hills in Niag Darra, Karo Darra and Turmang Darra areas. **
According to sources, around 1,200 troops backed by tanks and artillery reached Turmang Darra in Upper Dir. Planes and helicopters flew over the area.
About the Peochar action, the military’s Swat Media Centre said: ‘Jetfighters and helicopter gunships shelled the region before dropping special services group (SSG) personnel in the region.**’
Local people said ground forces moved towards the area which is considered to be ‘rear base’ of militants. Besides **Maulana Fazlullah, his close lieutenants Muslim Khan, Shah Dawran, Mehmood Khan and Ibne Amin are also said to be based there. **
Peochar, surrounded by dense forests, is a **strategic location with several training camps, centres for suicide bombers, arms depots, torture cells, private jails where kidnapped people and ‘prisoners’ are kept, ‘courts’ and offices. **
Taliban’s shura held its meetings in Peochar and issued directives to militants in the district and other parts of Malakand region.
Officials said four militants were killed when helicopters gunships shelled their positions in Imamdheri. Militant hideouts in Malam Jabba were also attacked.
The district headquarters of Mingora is still under the control of Taliban. They are patrolling the streets and holding positions on rooftops.
Power, water, and gas supply to the whole district remained disconnected, adding to the misery of local people. Government employees are yet to receive salary for March because all banks are closed.
In Shangla, a child and another non-combatant were killed and five other people were injured in Jabbar area adjacent to Malam Jabba. About 250 displaced families arrived in Lelonai area of Shangla which has been under curfew for 48 hours.
At least 11 militants were killed and nine others injured during a search operation and troops cleared the area from Chakdara to Gaddar. Four suspected militants were arrested.
Troops took positions on rooftops along the Timergara-Peshawar road. A security man was killed and another injured in Osakai area.
Sources said 40 to 45 bodies were lying in the premises of the Government Degree College in Gulabad which had been occupied by militants and shelled by security forces.A soldier was killed and a lieutenant injured in a clash near Gulabad.
Troops advanced to Tendodag, a stronghold of the Taliban, after taking control of the GT Road.
Two paramilitary soldiers — Amjad of Mohamand Riffles and Javed of Dir Scouts — were shot dead in Chakdara for violating curfew. They were going to Peshawar and Swat to resume duty. Another man was injured.
Security forces also took control of Hayaseri and set up a military camp there.
DAWN.COM | Provinces | Commandos dropped into Fazlullah?s den
next target, Baitullah Mehsud please 
i am, as i’m sure many of you are as well, saddened by the innocent loss of life such as the child mentioned. Pakistan Army must take every possible step to ensure no civilians are hurt while shelling. we’re pakistanis and muslims; not israeli zionists.
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We really need to target leadership more than actual militants, if our commandos can achieve that it'd be great success.
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Military kills 11 militants in Swat operation: ISPR,5/13/2009 9:52:20 PM