UNSC expansion/Musharafs visit to Holland and Italy

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True that the Presidents visit to Holland and Italy didn’t gather much attention and limelight as did his viist to New York and the subsequent meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
However, what is the significance of his visit to these two states?
How would this visit aid in expanding the bilateral and commercial ties with these two European nations considering the security environment is not at all conducive for the investors not just in KArachi but throughout the country?

If anyone has information regarding this current visit by the president, please feel free to post and discuss it here?

Also, if you are given a chance, what would you ask President Musharaf about his visit to Netherlands and Italy? Keep in mind that you are asked to prepare 20 questions regarding this visit :bummer:

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Re: Mushaarafs visit to Holland and Italy

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.... However, what is the significance of his visit to these two states?

How would this visit aid in ..commercial ties .... considering the security environment ..
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The visit was simply run of the mill overseas trip. Security situation is not good. Still we cannot wait forever for the MAToo supporters will all disappear. Life has to go on.

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I'm part of a discussion list that includes some academics and experts dealing with South Asia. The going theory is that each of these nations invloved a specific agenda item.

The Netherlands trip is believed to have something to do ith F-16s. Given the current situation in Washington, Americans are trying to give some Belgian or Dutch surplus F-16s to Pakistan, so that it doesn't appear to come directly from US but Pakistan is kept happy. The numbers being talked about are two dozen.

With Italy, it was to form an alliance to block the proposed UN Security council expansion.

In addition, there has been a rising murmur of criticism with Catholics in EU to condition aid and trade liberalization with Pakistan on the reform of the Blasphemy laws. That is why Musharraf met the Pope.

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pakistan campigining to prevent india from getting un security seat
pakistan cant prevent india in the long run to get un security seat.

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India, Japan, Germany and Brazil have already formed a bloc at the UN to camapaign for UNSC expansion, with India as one of its member. South Africa announced its unequivocal support last month - which means, virtually whole of Africa supports India's candidature.

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also muslim states support unsc seat for india

Muslim states’ support to India irks Pakistan

By Tariq Butt

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan continues its stiff resistance to India’s concerted effort to become permanent member of the UN Security Council, while New Delhi is finding new foreign backers for its ambition.

The most shocking (for Pakistan) support to the Indian endeavour has come from the Muslim countries. Pakistan may swallow India’s backing from other states but can’t when it emanates from the Muslim brethren because it has always stood with them in rain and shine.

Islamabad may diplomatically pursue the Muslim capitals, urging them to decline support to the Indian effort for permanent membership of the Security Council because of New Delhi’s inhuman treatment of the Muslim minority, especially the atrocities being perpetrated on Kashmiris.

India, during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s sojourn in London while travelling to New York to attend the UN General Assembly session, received the vociferous support from British Premier Tony Blair in its pursuit of the highly prized international position.

Pakistan’s diplomatic whiz need to do intense brainstorming to counter the Indian onslaught aimed at grabbing the prestigious slot at the world body and widespread acceptability of its diplomacy in other countries. India’s diplomatic offensive to achieve the goal has been going on apace for the past few years.

Pakistan would indeed feel deeply hurt and bruised if India succeeds in securing the seat at the international forum. Islamabad would be a direct sufferer if a major violator of the UN resolutions and human rights were honoured. It would be like including Israel in the permanent members of the Security Council.

The talk for expansion of the Security Council has gained currency with Germany, Japan, Brazil and India, vying for permanent membership. None of these countries (except India) has the unseemly track record of consigning UN resolutions to the dustbin and transgressing human rights at such a colossal scale as New Delhi figures out.

In his talks with top Pakistani leaders during his forthcoming visit to Pakistan next week, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder will be broaching up the issue of expansion and restructuring of the Security Council.

Pakistan may not be anathematic to the bids being made by Germany, Japan and Brazil to become permanent members. However, Islamabad has frequently aired its opposition to the Security Council’s expansion saying that it did not want to see more privileged members at the world body.

The Security Council has five permanent members: the United States, Russia, Britain, China and France. Among them, the United States has used its authority hundreds of times by vetoing resolutions at the council. A resolution moved in the Security Council becomes extinct if a single permanent member vetoes it.

The News International, Pakistan

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ban chukay tum loge :-)

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Thanks guys…Talwar, Dhir, Rivikz, Anti. :slight_smile: You have brought forth some important points.
Ravage, zara peechay hato :nono:

Okey, so lets take up the issue of United Nations Security Council’s expansion and the controversial use of veto. First of all the 5 permanent members of the UNSC would not let go off this opportunity that gives them tremendous power to maneuver things to their own ends that easily.Even if they decided to share the power with other members, that would take sometime.
Now the issue at hand is whether the countries of this exclusive club would retain the veto power or not. Even if India, Brazil and Germany consider it their right to get a permanent seat there, should they be allowed to use the veto like the other 5 did in the past.

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i think india should not beg for unsc seat but should be invited on its own economic and miltary prowess.