A brief history of time is an excellent book
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we didnt "make" mathematics either, it is a fundamental property of the nature of our universe that we have slowly discovered. few things in this world are as pure and absolute as mathematics.
Monk, where did I say that we made universe or math?
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you didn’t.
I saw 3d in your post, then I assumed and imply…
Thats how we role on GS 
I think nature is just nature doing its thing. Mathematics is how we wrap our brain around physical phenomenons.
There are different ways to describe same physical properties. For example, I was reading few chapters of book
"struck by genius " that dude discover another way, geometric way to described pi, just by trying make his drawing with more resolutions. Like first 90 triangles, then 200 then 700 some thing like it…
I dont want to unleash any more “fairy tales” for tonight. 
Other wise I came upon one more fundamental way for drawing curve.
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your butt prints dont count as curves
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ker di na pathano wali baat. 
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monk, i think you are talking about the fairytale of polygon approximation for estimating pi. it is vary naise. pretty much every ancient civilization has independently identified pi. they have all had different ideas of god, afterlife etc. think about it. ; )
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erm.. i'm not sure what you are saying but you might have just discovered basic differential calculus. divide a curve into tiny bits, degree of the curve becomes lesser, keep going one tiny tangent at a time.
waisey, you should smoke some charas and see if your curves become even easier.
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Right now, I feel like smoking chars after reading monks reply
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Joke aside, let me know the Quran Ayat. Love to read it.
Also, yes if you can maintain the slope of the tangent at every point of a curve, you can maintain the curvature without worrying about the radius. I agree with you.
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i dont know if drawing a circle is something that needs to be revealed in cryptic verse by a special angel etc.
every kid has drawn a pretty good circle in the mud just twirling with a stick in hand.
i think you are just seeing things because you really want to see things. like the burnt roti jesus.
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not to mention cosmic background radiation is contained within our universe, not what lies between multiverses as ajazali seems to think. i recommend picking up a book on modern physics before asking such questions on a forum - no one can direct you if you dont have the fundamentals right.
Huh? Did you read what you wrote here? CMR only proves there was some sort of a beginning, a BIG BANG. It doesn't provide many clues to what the shape of the Universe might be. There are different mathematical models to explain possible shapes of the universe. We don't really know but there are many theories. One of which is probably right but we can't be sure unless we could observe it and maybe somehow test it. For us, finite may be as good as infinite since we can't observe or test it yet. No, it's not a belief. It's called Science. It evolves, grows, and improves with time and brilliant minds.
If you people have read yourself what you are suggesting me then you should answer my questions. If you have not then how can you be that sure on what you say? Its either you don't understand what you have read or it looks like an attempt to knock out the questioners.
Its pretty simple. Value of density of Universe is equal to value of critical density means universe is flat. Where as Theorist gave a video with theory of shape of earth. If its flat how come you say it doughnut shaped?
Maybe it annoys you more, I am almost sure that you people dont know that its determined or not that un-observable universe exists. But you can claim what is beyond the universe. strange. Now again if you have read what you suggest me then answer how come you know what is beyond the universe where you still have to know about un-observable universe?
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This is exactly what i said i my post 13](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=13) that it could be like that universe is infinite for us and finite for Allah.
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why are you so sure that I am seeing things. Even if God did not invent calculas at that very verse, he described earth is round, at least to extermy skeptical mind. Now brother queer, you can do all the reserch you want, every non muslims scholar agrees its, been unchanged since usman(ra) time, that makes it about 1400 year old book.
I wonder how you make peace with it ?
dude i dont know what you are talking about to be honest. but the world being round wasnt some new concept revealed in the quran, if thats what you are saying. nor is drawing a circle such a novel idea.
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Nobody is claiming anything, scientist. These are theories human brain can entertain and predict using geometry.
FYI, I did not post a link showing the shape of the earth. Did you even click on it?
The observable universe is flat and seems infinite. We can’t really say that about the unobservable universe. There could be parts of the universe where the density of matter is high causing it to curve. We cannot detect that curvature because we can’t reach around the universe. A 3-torus universe is finite without a boundary. I was only trying to answer your question as to why and how this is even possible.
Who told you if our universe is flat it must be infinite? Universe can be flat and closed. It just doesn’t seem that way because we are trapped in a very small part of the expanding universe. Read up on Closed Manifold. It may clear your confusion about the difference between local and global geometry of the universe.
I am not claiming that the universe is finite with a boundary. I am just telling you of other theories that exist explaining different possible shapes of the universe.
I found a really good link actually: https://my.vanderbilt.edu/stacyfonstad/files/2011/10/ShapeOfSpace.pdf