Increasingly this question comes to mind.
Politics is a dirty game and the way world powers invade countries is wrong.
However the purpose of the thread is:
Why don’t Muslim ulema unanimously condemn and shun suicide bombings as they are haram, no matter what the case. The quran and sunnah in my opinion are quite clear on this.
Aren’t the ulema by remaining quite in the Muslim world supporting them? Or not discouraging them?
Two wrongs don’t make a right..
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your'e right; two things dont make a right... the muslim world is segregated into tiny little peices thats why we cant unanimously decide on anything, BUT
if the Muslim world was to get together on an issue, I think we ought to be smart enough to diagnose the bacteria(s) causing the disease rather then treating the symptoms! if we r going to unite, the first thing we shud do it stand together and let the 5 MILLION palestinians return to their homeland, kick the americans out of iraq & afghanistan (we can deal with the taliban ourselves) so that they can stop stealing our resouces and provide kashmiris with a fair plebisite so that they can decide their future.
Provided the Muslim ummah gets together and achieves the above, I cant see why ppl would have the need to blow themselves up! iv'e mentioned this b4: Newton said "to every action there is an OPPOSITE but EQUAL reaction"...
cure the disease and u automatically eliminate the symptoms
btw: what are the ulema to say to them? "we know you r being denied every human right for the past 3 generations, but please dont react, just sit in your home and turn into oppressed/ depressed individuals... this is better for you"???
no one can pass judgement on the suffering if they aren't suffering themselves.
Wassalam
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This decision becomes quite iffy when the people once hailed as the glorious Mujahideen when they are fighting your enemies and later are termed as terrorists when they fight against you…
And keep in mind, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…
Some of the Prophets of Allah :swt: were termed as dangerous inciters of hatred and terrorists by the ruling powers of their times…Would you unite in calling them terrorists and names?
In your case it’s simply a matter of being brainwashed by the propaganda…
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I apologize in advance but did you use the words “Muslim Ulema” and “Unanimously” in one sentence?
It all depends what you are seeking the ban of suicide bombing for. If it is stop killings in Pakistan/Iraq then there is a chance that they will issue such statement but if it comes to Israel, India or any other non-Muslim country then chances are close to none.
The problem is that we have learned to “justify” our acts using twisted logics to allow ourselves to do what we want/need. As long as we have this phenomena existing we will continue to see support of unjustified acts.
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Why the hell does it have to be the "ulema"??? So the rest of the nation just sits by and waits for the "ulema" to decide? You have no tongue of your own? If the public has unanimity, then why would we need the "ulema" ... just a thought.
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btw: what are the ulema to say to them? "we know you r being denied every human right for the past 3 generations, but please dont react, just sit in your home and turn into oppressed/ depressed individuals... this is better for you"???
Do you think Allah swt will look at the nation (using suicide bombing for their cause) and think that they have resorted to non-Muslim behavior let me help them?
Allah swt helps those who help themselves but do not cross boundaries.
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Why the hell does it have to be the "ulema"??? So the rest of the nation just sits by and waits for the "ulema" to decide? You have no tongue of your own? If the public has unanimity, then why would we need the "ulema" ... just a thought.
Because ulema are considered the 'authority' to look to for issues of "haram" and "halal", considering the people who do "suicide bombing" are mostly doing it as 'religious duty' who else do you think would be more effective?
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Because ulema are considered the 'authority' to look to for issues of "haram" and "halal", considering the people who do "suicide bombing" are mostly doing it as 'religious duty' who else do you think would be more effective?
I have never considered them an authority since that is in direct violation of the Quranic message... I refuse to bow down to any self-proclaimed "Maulana" (Our Lord) other than God Himself.
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I have never considered them an authority since that is in direct violation of the Quranic message... I refuse to bow down to any self-proclaimed "Maulana" (Our Lord) other than God Himself.
I don't too, but that is not true for masses.
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I don't too, but that is not true for masses.
So you do realize the root cause of this problem. But then let's agree to treat the root cause and not provide a bandaid. Correct?
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Pink baji, how do you suppose suicide bombing in NWFP, for instance, is helping "free" Palestine?
If Arab sunnis were man enough, along with their fellow radicalists who bow to them like pathans etc, they would look in the eye of israel and the US like Iran.
PS I'm a sunni so don't take it "off topic" with mirzai / fiqah jaffriya nonsense..
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So you do realize the root cause of this problem. But then let's agree to treat the root cause and not provide a bandaid. Correct?
The thing is that such cruel issues demand an immdiate band-aid, root cause can be addressed concurrently but not solely. Education of masses to get them educated and confident enough of their education is not an year or 2 task, may take decades.
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root cause can be addressed concurrently but not solely.
Then let's hope you're right.
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...............Why don't Muslim ulema unanimously condemn and shun suicide bombings as they are haram, .....
Laeeq Sahib, supporters of suicide bombings are using Islamic Sharia in their support. No one will listen to you unless you have a longer beard, or a bigger mehrab on your forehead. Even then going against pro-suicide Mullahs will be a tall order.
Best wishes and Eid Mubarak.
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I am a practicing Hindu and while I do not know much about the Islamic tenets from an outsider's point of view, I will say this:
I don't think an organization such as the Pope for Christians (Catholics) exist for Islam; Therefore any one particular group head or country head making such a declaration will be inadequate.
But it does surprise me a lot that governments which are predominantly muslim (middle east, parts of Africa, parts of Asia) have not been able to identify and isolate those groups within their territory that preach and provoke terrorism.
In practical terms, until that happens the current turmoil is bound to continue.
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It’s got nothing to do with being brainwashed, I admit the media does it’s fair share of anti-Islam proganda but Muslims are also to blame. If we were quite clear on what is and what is not Islam the media wouldn’t have the chance to misportray Islam.
Suicide bombers are not freedom fighters no matter what they think. Two wrongs don’t make a right, it wouldn’t be wrong to fight the goverments/armies who are fighting Muslims but it is wrong to target their civillians, I know non-Muslims target our civillians and have done but we should not stoop down to their level we have the Qur’aan the Furqaan to guide us and show us right from wrong, they don’t…
Islam has got such negative rep because of these terrorist acts, our religion is so beautiful but ppl see it as evil now.. Do you realise how much ppl hate it now? Do u realise how many young Muslims are becoming MURTAD (apostate) either because they think Islam is what the terrorists portray it to be or because their lives have become too hard as Muslims? The Molvi tells us about the number of ppl converting in over the past half decade but they don’t say how many children of Islam are lost to the fire because of the actions of a few self-confessed Jihadis..
This thread is not calling on condemning any individuals, it is calling against suicide bombings targetting all non-combatant civlillians regardless of religion or nationality and that is common sense and basic Islam.
Any religion or god who allows the murder of innocents is FCUKED up, full stop, and it’s not Islam.
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That’s true. :k:
They use twisted logic like “since they pay taxes to their guilty goverments they’re also guilty so therefore legitimate targets”, that is so fcuked up.
Islam is quite clear that suicide is forbidden and so is murdering non-combatant civillians (especially elderly, children, women, clergy) and even livestock and plantation.
It is only Jihad to fight against soldiers on a battle field, blowing up oneself and worse children and grannies is not Jihad.
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I think many of the ulema are afraid of them too. Many ulema have been targetly killed recently in Pakistan.