United States has decided to approve the sale of F-16s!!! (merged)

US ‘to offer F-16s to Pakistan’

US ‘to offer F-16s to Pakistan’

The United States has decided to approve the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, Indian officials say.
US President George W Bush told Indian premier Manmohan Singh of the decision in a telephone call at 1345 GMT, Mr Singh’s media adviser said.

The adviser, Sanjay Baru, said that Mr Singh had expressed “great disappointment” at the decision.

The premier told Mr Bush it would exacerbate India’s security concerns for the region.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice discussed the F-16 issue with Indian officials during her recent visit to the region.

There has been no confirmation of the decision yet from either the US or Pakistan.

i dont know why it irritates india though.

US ‘to offer F-16s to Pakistan’

Great news for Pakistan …

US ‘to offer F-16s to Pakistan’

The United States has decided to approve the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, Indian officials say.
US President George W Bush told Indian premier Manmohan Singh of the decision in a telephone call at 1345 GMT, Mr Singh’s media adviser said.

The adviser, Sanjay Baru, said that Mr Singh had expressed “great disappointment” at the decision.

The premier told Mr Bush it would exacerbate India’s security concerns for the region.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice discussed the F-16 issue with Indian officials during her recent visit to the region.

There has been no confirmation of the decision yet from either the US or Pakistan.

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there goes the $3B dole! they can't pay it directly from treasury to LMT so it's going through Islamabad. LMT is quite happy to milk some more out of the designs nearing retirement.

India should really get some commission on this from LMT - if they hadn't objected so consistently, pakistan wouldn't have wanted these so badly!

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^ True. And the F16's pakistan is getting does not have BVR capabilities. :)

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thts wrong. they are going to be block 50/60 plus versions and Pakistan not only has option for as many aircraft but also for unique specs for reqs.

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/03/26/top2.htm

Pakistan lauds US move

ISLAMABAD, March 25: Pakistan on Friday welcomed a decision by the United States to sell it F-16 fighter jets, saying it demonstrated Islamabad’s close ties with Washington.

The sale comes a week after US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice discussed the issue with both Pakistan and India.

“I confirm that the US government has agreed to sell F-16s to Pakistan. It will be the latest version of the aircraft,” Pakistani Information Minister Sheikh Rashid told AFP.

“We welcome this good gesture and it shows good friendship between Pakistan and the United States,” he said. Announcing the decision in Washington, a senior US official said: “Existing military assistance will be supplemented by moving forward on the sale of F-16s to Pakistan and we’re notifying that to Congress today.”

“Although the numbers involved are relatively small, there is no set limit on what the United States is going to be willing to sell to Pakistan,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The decision was announced on the same day that Pakistan said it could assist an investigation by the UN’s atomic agency into whether Iran has been secretly developing nuclear weapons.

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/03/26/top12.htm

US announces sale of F-16s to Pakistan

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, March 25: The United States on Friday announced its decision to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan but in order to soften the disappointment the proposed sale has caused to New Delhi it offered to help India become a major world power.

Addressing a hurriedly called briefing at the State Department, three senior US officials also unveiled a new strategy for long-term US engagement with the South Asian region.

This includes both economic and military assistance to India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and also promises to help them meet their energy requirements. But the most significant element in the new package is the decision to sell F-16s to Pakistan, bringing to an end a two-decade long dispute with Pakistan over the aircraft In the late 1980s, the US had agreed to sell 32 F-16s to Pakistan but Senior Bush, the father of the current president, had cancelled the deal following a dispute over Pakistan’s nuclear programme.

“We have decided to sell F-16s to Pakistan,” said one of the three officials. Although Pakistan is believed to have asked for 25 aircraft, the official said there was no limit to the sale and the US administration is willing to go beyond what Pakistan has asked for.

“How many aircraft, what models and what equipment are they going to be equipped with, will be decided later in consultation with the government of Pakistan,” the official said. The official dismissed India’s objection that the proposed sale would disturb the current military balance in the subcontinent as incorrect.

He said India already had more aircraft than Pakistan would have even after receiving the F-16s. “The sale will not disturb the military balance.” Another official told Dawn that Pakistan will have to raise money for aircraft it wants to buy.

Asked if Pakistan could pay for the aircraft from the $3.1 billion package President Bush pledged two years ago, the official said: “It can come from the package, it can from other sources. Pakistan has to decide that.”

“Pakistan is the second most populous country in the Muslim world. It is the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons,” one of the officials said while explaining the US decision to sell the F-16s.

Asked if the offer to sell sophisticated weapons to both India and Pakistan could be seen as a step towards their recognition as nuclear states, the official said he did not want to talk about formal diplomatic recognition. But reflecting a major change in US attitude towards India’s and Pakistan’s nuclear status, the official said: “They tested their devices seven years ago … The US has to live in the world that exists, not what we want to see.”

“There is not a single country today that has seriously suggested that these (nuclear) weapons might disappear.” The official said the United States wants to work with India and Pakistan to make them take their global responsibilities more seriously.

The senior US official linked the proposed sale of the planes, manufactured by Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin, directly to President Musharraf’s cooperation after the terror attacks on the United States on Sept 11, 2001.

The sale of F-16s will not change the overall balance of military power in the region and are vital to Pakistan’s security as President Musharaff prosecutes the war on terror, said a senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Officials at the State Department, explaining the decision further, but only on the basis of anonymity, said India is contemplating a very large purchase of fighter planes, but added that it is up to India to decide which country it will purchase them from.

US defends Pakistan F-16 jet deal

US defends Pakistan F-16 jet deal

Ms Rice says the US wants strong ties with both India and Pakistan
The US has defended its decision to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, in the face of opposition from India.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told the Washington Post newspaper the US was trying to build relations with Pakistan and India at the same time.

India - which may also buy F-16s in the future - has warned the US deal with Pakistan risks creating an arms race.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has welcomed the move, seen as a reward for supporting the US war on terror.

It marks a change in US policy, which blocked the sale of F-16s in 1990 over Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme.

Mr Aziz said the fighters would help the Pakistani air force maintain an effective deterrence level - but stressed Pakistan had no aggressive intentions towards any country.

In an interview published in the Washington Post, Ms Rice tried to allay India’s concerns that the deal could disturb the region’s military balance.

“What we’re trying to do is to solidify and extend relations with both India and Pakistan at a time when we have good relations with both of them, something that most people didn’t think could be done, and when they have improving relationships with one another,” she said.

“What we’re trying to do is break out of the notion that this is a hyphenated relationship somehow, that anything that happens that’s good for Pakistan has to be bad for India and vice versa.”

Nuclear plants

Ms Rice said she had been struck by the 11 September Commission advice to “invest in the relationship with Pakistan” or risk recreating the situation of the 1990s, when it forged links to the Taleban in Afghanistan.

She went on: “Pakistan has come a long way, it’s on a better trajectory than it’s ever been, or that it’s been in many, many years.”

Washington also declared plans for “a decisively broader strategic relationship” with India on Friday - and has not ruled out helping it develop nuclear power plants.

“We’re a step away from that, certainly, but looking at their energy needs and trying to understand how they can be met,” Ms Rice said.

A spokesman for Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said he had expressed “great disappointment” on Friday about the decision to supply F-16s to Pakistan.

But India is contemplating a “very large” purchase of fighter planes, a state department official said.

Peace dialogue

Pakistan struck a deal with the US for F-16 jets in the late 1980s, but Washington blocked the sale in 1990 as a sanction against Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme.

The revived sale will form part of a five-year, $3bn assistance programme.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence in 1947, two of them over the disputed region of Kashmir.

The nations came to the brink of another war in 2002 but are now engaged in a two-year thaw that has seen improved relations.

The F-16 is built by Lockheed Martin and is one of the world’s most successful fighter aircraft, with about 4,500 in commission globally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4384597.stm

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F-16s a foreign policy victory: FM

Staff Report

LAHORE: US President George W Bush’s announcement of the F-16 sale to Pakistan is a success for Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, his team and Pakistani diplomats, Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri said on Saturday.

Kasuri told a press conference at the State Guest House that he was surprised by India’s reaction to the sale of F-16 warplanes to Pakistan. He said India’s apprehension that the fighter jets would increase Pakistan’s nuclear delivery capability was incorrect, as both countries possessed nuclear-capable missiles.

He also said the purchase of F-16s must be seen in the context of the conventional asymmetry between India and Pakistan. He said, “India has a 1,150,000-strong army while Pakistan has half that strength. India is ahead of Pakistan in terms of defence expenditure and personnel numbers.” India introduced the nuclear element in South Asia by conducting nuclear tests as early as 1974 and this factor forced Pakistan to develop its nuclear capability, Kasuri added. “We are very serious about peace with India, but the balance of strength is also necessary for peace,” he said.

About whether President Bush had offered the F-16s for Pakistani support against Iran, Kasuri said, “Not at all. We are very clear about our relations with Iran.”

About sending centrifuges to Vienna, he said Pakistan had made the decision after the UN nuclear watchdog wanted to inspect the centrifuges at Kahuta Research Laboratories. “But we didn’t want anyone in our nuclear installations and that is why we decided to send some centrifuge parts to Vienna for examination,” he added.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_27-3-2005_pg1_1

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good posts homer.

guys please direct all F-16 developments, news and positive discussions to the United States has decided to approve the sale of F-16s!!! (merged) thread; i'm merging your thread Homer.

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Thank you. So the Kahuta parts are being dismantled and being sent away.

So much for locking threads that said the same thing. Truth hurts, does it? :slight_smile:

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regarding the BVR.
some reporters met the ACM, Kaleem Saadat fe days ago at a golf tournament and he said at this sateg there has been no discussion on those specs though the US has said that Pak will interrecat with LM for custom specs, so thats all still to be decided.

Alsi
sending 'some centrifuge parts' and Kahuta 'dismantling' is the same thing...? how often did you bunk english lessons at school...?

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Please look at the highlighted parts in the quote from your above post, it appears I missed less classes than you :smiley:

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oh so you still live in the pre keyboard era...? where the diff between typos and errors/mistakes was hazy for most...?

i wouldnt know the spellings for few, stage, interract...would i...

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I am surprised Jewisrael didn't protest this decision.

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^^^ they are not scared or obsessed with Pakistan as indians

F16's

Can anyone advise me whether the F-16's Pakistan paid $658 million for have been delivered. If not, how much was refunded against the original payment.

Concerning the new announcement that US will sell more F-16's to PAF, are these "new" F-16's by any chance the F-16's already paid for, or are they the newer versions.

Please clarify as I am not sure of the latest situation.

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The old account is settled. The US repaid the money in cash, soy beans and wheat shipments as of 1998.

This time will be a totally new transaction for new Blk 52 F-16s.

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and for that matter the much trumpeted US AiD for being an ally to us war or Oil or Muslims can b used as stated by some US dept. person.
so wat US gives by one hand takes it back with the other :)

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i think the US only partially cleared the payments made by pakistan for thosoe old F16s parked in a desert for years.
the new deal however is going to be for new planes, as many as reqd, and somethign of the payment will be adjusted from the few billion dollar arms aid the US has promised. and yes, the are going to be type c/d block 52 plus.