United Nations Told War Illegal

“There is no basis in the UN Charter for a regime change with military means.”

UN TOLD WAR ILLEGAL](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12755380&method=full&siteid=50143) Mirror 20 Mar 03

FRANCE and Germany yesterday told the UN it was illegal for the Bush administration to depose Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Russia also said there was no proof that Iraq posed a threat to the United States. Speaking at the UN Security Council meeting German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said: “There is no basis in the UN Charter for a regime change with military means.”

French Foreign Minister Dominique Villepin added: "To those who think that the scourge of terrorism will be eradicated through what is done in Iraq, we say that they run the risk of failing in their objective."The Russian, French, German and Syrian foreign ministers also appealed for weapons inspectors to be allowed to complete their job.

"By their action, the United States and its allies “have violated the UN Charter, the universally recognized principles of international law and the rules governing responsible conduct,”

Russian parliament calls on Putin to seek UN General Assembly meeting](http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030320143347.h8ovnykr.html) Agence France-Presse 20 Mar 03

Russian deputies called on President Vladimir Putin Thursday to seek an emergency session of the UN General Assembly to discuss the fighting in Iraq. The State Duma (lower house) approved by 226 votes to 101 a resolution calling on the Russian president to seek a UN General Assembly emergency session “due to the military action launched by the United States and Britain against Iraq.”

The deputies called on UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and the UN Security Council “to urgently assess” the US-led operation launched Thursday and to “do everything possible to settle the Iraq crisis peacefully.” The operation “undermines the system of international relations and institutions and poses a threat to international stability,” the resolution said.

By their action, the United States and its allies “have violated the UN Charter, the universally recognized principles of international law and the rules governing responsible conduct,” the document said in terms closely resembling those used by Putin himself in a statement criticising the action. Putin called on Washington to end the fighting, warning that “if we install the rule of force in place of international security structures, no country in the world will feel secure.”

The United States and its ally Britain launched military action after Washington said Monday it had failed to win support in the UN Security Council for a proposed resolution that would have set a deadline for the Iraqi regime to disarm. The UN General Assembly is empowered under UN resolution 377 to call on belligerents to cease hostilities in cases where the Security Council is unable to reach an agreement on collective action.

“They also suggested that he initiate the convocation of a special UN General Assembly session to discuss the aggression initiated by the United States, Britain, and their allies”

Russia Wants UN Troops to End Fighting in Iraq](http://www.republicons.org/view_article.asp?RP_ARTICLE_ID=678) Republicons (ITAR-Tass) 20 Mar 03

**(ITAR-Tass)The State Duma has suggested to President Vladimir Putin that he should raise the question at the UN Security Council of dispatching UN peacekeeping forces to Iraq to separate the warring parties. They also suggested that he “initiate the convocation of a special UN General Assembly session to discuss the aggression initiated by the United States, Britain, and their allies” against Iraq, as well as “the post-war political, social and economic restoration of Iraq under the UN aegis.” **

The suggestion is part of the statement entitled “On the beginning of an armed operation against the Republic of Iraq by the United States and Britain,” which was approved in principle on Wednesday, and finally adopted on Friday in an amended form. It was passed with 254 votes in favour and 45 against, with one abstention. The document says, among other things, that the action taken by the United States, Britain, and their allies against Iraq “has created a military-political situation which potentially threatens Russia’s national interests,” and which “requires from the military and political leaders of this country urgent measures to consolidate Russia’s defenses.”

In this connection the Duma suggested that the President and the government should submit proposals on amendments to the 2003 federal budget before June 1 to increase defence expenditure to a level of no less than 3.5 per cent of gross domestic product, and to allocate additional resources to accelerate the modernisation of the Russian armed forces. It has been suggested that, starting from 2004, the amount of money allocated for defence purposes by annual federal budgets will remain at this level. The MPs urged the executive authorities to render humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of Iraq.

The document stresses that the actions of the anti-Iraqi coalition has dealt a serious blow to the international community’s efforts to achieve a political settlement of the conflict in the Persian Gulf area and ensure the decommissioning of potential Iraqi weapons of mass destruction along with their delivery vehicles. Russian legislators believe, “The whole system for maintaining international peace and security, with the UN Security Council as its key element, has been seriously damaged.”

All the major powers of the world seem to be condemning this war as illegal one by one, and that will have long term and damaging consequences for the American's.

It seems Bush has managed to isolate his Administration, he has blatantly violated International laws and conventions and has defied the wishes of the United Nations.

This War Is Illegal](http://www.liberalslant.com/rm032303.htm) Liberal Slant

By: Robin Miller - 03/23/03

A nation that prides itself on its adherence to the rule of law has violated that commitment in launching a patently illegal war. Under fundamental international law, military force is permissible only in self-defense or when authorized by the U.N. Security Council. The administration does not attempt to argue that self-defense applies. Iraq poses no imminent threat. The Bush team’s new doctrine of “preventive war” simply has no legitimacy under international law. Nazi leaders offered the same defense at the Nuremberg Tribunal.

Rejecting the claim, the Tribunal found the Nazis guilty of the crime of aggression. As the Tribunal said, “To initiate a war of aggression, however, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Has the use of force to unseat Saddam Hussein been authorized by the Security Council? The answer is unequivocally no.

We know that last November’s Resolution 1441 did not confer this authority. First of all, 1441 lays out the process to be followed. Any alleged Iraqi violations are to be reported to the Security Council, which will then “convene immediately … in order to consider the situation.” Only the Council can then decide what to do next. Secondly, 1441 does not authorize the use of “all necessary means”–the only language recognized as authorizing force. The U.S. and U.K. tried to get this phrase into the resolution, but other Security Council members rejected it. The replacement language, “material breach,” is not, and was not intended to be, synonymous.

Third, after 1441 was adopted, every Security Council member–including the U.S. and U.K.–affirmed that it did not provide for “automaticity”–the automatic resort to force. It was this very issue over which the Council struggled for weeks. It’s simply fraudulent to now claim that 1441 incorporated automaticity. AS U.S. ambassador John Negroponte said at the time, 1441 contained “no hidden triggers and no automaticity with the use of force. The procedure to be followed was laid out in the resolution.”

Fourth, any Security Council authorization for the use of force must be unambiguous, to avoid exactly the present disagreement. Clearly, 1441 is not. Fifth, only the Security Council itself can authorize the use of force under Article 42 of the Charter. The Council cannot cede that decision to individual member states. And sixth, an authorization for the use of force always specifies the intended objective of that force. U.N. resolutions do not empower nations to use force for whatever reasons they wish. Even if 1441 did authorize the use of force to enter Iraq and detect and destroy Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, that would not authorize the stated–and quite different–purpose of this invasion: the removal of the present government from power.

In fact, Security Council resolutions cannot authorize “regime change.” The U.N. Charter gives the Council no such power, and even the Council may act only within the limitations of the Charter. Resolution 1441 explicitly recognizes this by “reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq.” The argument that the Security Council’s 1990 resolution 678–authorizing the use of force to expel Iraq from Kuwait–somehow now permits a U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein from power is preposterous.

The authorization of force in an old resolution, limited to a particular purpose, and formally ended by the subsequent resolution 687, cannot be extended 13 years later, by two Council members acting against evident Security Council rejection, to a wholly different objective that itself violates the U.N. Charter. Although it’s hard to tell from the administration’s constantly-shifting rationales, two other legal arguments may be discerned. In stressing the so-called “moral case” for Saddam’s removal, the U.S. may be attempting to invoke the disputed premise of humanitarian intervention.

But this theory, rejected by a large majority of the world’s nations, has not acquired a place in customary international law. It’s easy to see why. Such a principle would give powerful nations carte blanche to declare a “humanitarian emergency” and impose their will on weaker countries. In any event, current circumstances do not bring this doctrine into play. Saddam’s reported mass killings took place over a dozen years ago.

Finally, while the U.S. seems to suggest that it possesses some kind of roving power to “enforce” U.N. resolutions, the Charter grants no such authority to any individual country. With all possible legal bases for the invasion of Iraq shown to be unjustified–if not wholly fraudulent–there can be only one conclusion: The leaders of the Bush and Blair administrations are war criminals, guilty of the Nuremberg Tribunal’s “supreme international crime.”

Robin Miller, a contributing writer for Liberal Slant, lives in New Orleans and is interested in breaking through the mainstream media’s blockade against progressive commentary.

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All the major powers of the world
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I dont know any one other than Major USA ... who are you talking about?

Russia says the war with Iraq is illegal

Russia seeks UN ruling on Iraq](BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia seeks UN ruling on Iraq) BBC News 24 Mar 03

**Russia has called for a meeting of the United Nations Security Council to examine the legality of the US-led war with Iraq. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Yuri Fedotov said Russia and other countries would ask the UN’s legal department for a ruling on the conflict.

He said the US-led coalition had acted “in violation of the norms of international law” by failing to secure a fresh UN resolution sanctioning war.** Russia, together with fellow Security Council members France and Germany, led the opposition to American attempts earlier this month to persuade the 15-member group to back the use of force against Iraq.

Humanitarian consequences
Mr Fedotov said Russia wanted the council to “give all necessary political and legal assessments of the current situation and take a relevant decision corresponding to its powers”.

:rolleyes: Yeah, like they will ever live up to their “responsibility” after an illegal invasion and psychological terror bombing.

Annan Says U.S. Responsible for Iraq Aid, Edith M. Lederer, Yahoo News, 25 March 2003

UNITED NATIONS - Secretary-General Kofi Annan told U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice on Tuesday that the United States is legally responsible for providing humanitarian aid to Iraqis “gravely affected by the war” in areas controlled by coalition forces.

…] Annan said any United Nations role in postwar Iraq beyond the provision of humanitarian assistance must be approved by the Security Council in a new resolution. He also emphasized the need to maintain Iraq’s territorial integrity "and the right of its people to determine their political future and exercise control over their natural resources," Eckhard said.

Yeah just like the bombing of serbians was illegal to save the kosovars. Where was the outcry then? Hypocrits.

Kosovo ki khujli keoun ho rahi itni aaj kal? In every thread you bring this issue up. Is Kosovo the exclusive justification for this illegal invasion which is opposed by the majority of the world's countries?

Yes it is. It is proper justification for unilateral action. So was the bombing of serbs legal or illegal and should it have been done or not? Speak up little chickens.

:rolleyes:

It’s a tem of endearment in America. Read it like Little-Chickens :kiss:

Anyway, so you have always skirted the issue Nadia. Should the US have saved the muslim kosovars by illegally bombing the Serbians like they did? Because the UN and French weren’t going to do anything.

wow. So you actually believe that Slobodan Milosevic’s systemic ethnic cleansing somehow equates to the situation in Iraq immediately prior to the US invasion? Not only did we have weapons inspectors in the country, but they were actually engaged in substantial disarmament activities and both the IAEA and Hans Blix were reporting satisfactory - albeit NOT complete - Iraqi cooperation. Blix wanted “months” not years to finish Iraq’s disarmament. (:bummer: Did your guru Thomas Friedman forget to mention all this?). By the time this year’s summer comes around, Iraq could have been disarmed.

But manifestly that was a big nono - what would Georgey’s dad have said? :frowning: And what about Haliburton - we gotta make sure Dick C. somehow still gets to earn some kickbacks from Haliburton.

Now your turn - how does a pre-emptive invasion reconcile itself with the UN Charter when even Kofi Annan has stated this is illegal?

Absolutely Nadia, it has everything to do with it. Same kind of regime, same kind of tactics. You still didn;t answer the point. Was the bombing of Serbia warranted under the UN mandates you flout as the basis for your existence. Answer the question....

As far as disarmament goes they had 12 years...not 1 or 2 or 3 but 12. That is more than half your life. think about it.

Yeah Chaltahai, why you bring up Bosnia into everything? Greeks supported the Serbs (eastern orthodox connection) so my sympathies are with the Serbs. Don’t forget that Serbs were part of the Allied forces that brought down Nazis and Fascist. US didn’t go there to save Bosnians, but to continue its desire to rid that region of communist traces. US supported all of the countries into NATO that supported Serbs. So there. The other motive was to prove gayness of the Europeans (Germans, French, etc.) which counts for additional points.

If you must compare Iraqi situation, the best comparison is perhaps yet to come (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, ….). Yeah. Finally, US is on the right path to make up for its so so past. If a Palestinian State comes out of this conflict, I will love Bush more than I love Clinton, and I might even switch parties.

Ahmadi, the point is these kids think that watch friggin Al jeera pani news network and listen to some tier-2 professor from hookaloooka college and all of a sudden they are policy experts and then they hem and haw when asked a simple question.

Reading is fundamental.....kids should read more.

Itnay pareshaan mat ho, Little Chicken, i am going to answer your question in the next sentence. Serbia's bombing was more warranted, and more rational, than the present situation; unlike Iraq, Serbia possessed a semi-mature democracy movement within the country. The post-bombing transition was thus comparatively more stable than it will be (IMO) in Iraq. And since you are so gung-ho for this invasion, please let me know what US plans are for a post-Hussein Iraq: will Kurds be given ethnic representation in a new interim government? Will northern Iraq (that has helped the US by providing airbases), be given an independent state of its own - Kurdistan? Or will the US treat Kurds as pawns yet again - dropped like hot potatoes once they have exceeded their usefulness? Shi'ites represent the majority of Iraq; hence will they be allowed to constitute the majority in a new government? Where is the Iraqi Hamid Karzai? Answer the questions please....

>>As far as disarmament goes they had 12 years...not 1 or 2 or 3 but 12. That is more than half your life. think about it.<<
Iraq is already significantly (albeit NOT completely) disarmed, though of course for the cowboys in Texas nothing less than 200% disarmament is sufficient. Even back to the days of Mad. Albright, it was about regime change NOT disarmament. You didn't answer my question....... how does the UN Charter reconcile with the beliefs of pre-emptive attacks (and regime change)? Why did Kofi Annan say that this invasion is illegal?

Chaltahai, I have to agree with you now. Actually, not just kids, when I see these god damn so-called experts on the news shows, my blood boils. I think the phrase ‘historical perspective’ for them means Pentium 3. Honest to god, my little one knows more about the modern history than all of these gurus. There are only 2 columnists of the NYT that I respect – you know who they are. Other than that, it is all one big balloon filled with hot air.

Nadia, If Kofi Annan said that invasion was Legal, would you agree with him? I thought your mind was made up a long ago, like 12 years ago.

Has he stated that? No. What he has stated is that this invasion is illegal. So - reverting to my original questions - how exactly do the concepts of regime change and pre-emptive strikes reconcile with the UN Charter? Explain how your answer does not contradict the arguments made by Kofi Annan.