United Muslims: Shia+Sunnis+Wahabis

[bao_bihari]

Re: United Muslims: Shia+Sunnis+Wahabis

No one is asking you people to change what you believe, that is between you and ALLAH, but what i am requesting (which it seems very difficult for some to understand) is to respect what majority of people in pakistan believe. Dont abuse them openly , this is all that is needed to live happily alongside each other.

@Ma_Mooli

The point is that in the interest of unity; is to look beyond this, to understand that both will have offensive views about each other that is not going to go away. Infact that is the reason they are different sects in the first place!!!

You need to open your mind a bit an see that it is a two way issue. But you have to rise above that just like the prophet saw and imam as. did. You are not a better muslims than them, so why not emulate their examples?

And please; as if it was that easy as you saying it to guarantee no abuse/ killings will take place! Honestly!!

Ps. Not every scholar/ mujtahid permits abuse. Nor do they do it in our mosque. So every case is different!! Think big!

You want us to change and are not willing to change what is offensive for us? all i am asking is if this public abuses is stopped, things will clam down.

@Nussairee

Bao Bihari, these polemics r not as 1 sided as u think…when u say Shia abuse “wives” of the Prophet then u basically just mean Bibi Aisha…quoting a fact is not abusing…abusing is plain wrong and will be what Muawiya institutionalized against Ali ibne Abi Talib where the later, despite no wrongdoings, was abused for a century …as for Aisha, she did lead army against caliph of her time…and tht resulted in 20,000 muslims (including sahaba) being killed in battle of Jamal alone…we love the other wives and in fact get upset further when we read tht Aisha used to mock Bibi Khadija (sa) and kept on breaking injunctions after another which resulted in a lot of damage to Islamic society…is there any Quranic immunity for these? does Quran not reprimands the wives of double chastisement if they do wrong?.. so it is better not to discuss this as I know tht u respect her and love her…and u r free to do so…after all she narrates like 1/3 of Sunni hadiths…
Such polarization of characters is no uncommon in other religions…take Christianity where they highly revere Saint Paul and he is the central figure for them…but the fact is tht Saint Paul killed the successors of Isa (as) whom Prophet Isa had designated himself!!!

PLease dont start this again, so basicaly you just dont want to stop this abuse and is not willing to understand our POV. See it is not that we want you people to change what you beleive(despite how hollow they are), just respect sentiments of majority.

@Das_Reich

Abubakr, Aisha Ali and Fatima are but historical personalities what they did is with them and God, we can criticize them, extoll them praise them or curse them that should not make one a kafir.But this should be fair if shias are expecting sunnis to unite with them despite their incredibly hostile views of sahaba/wives shias should also be willing to tolerate criticism of fatima/ali etc from certain sunnis ( although that rarely happens).A muslim should not be judged by what views he hold of ANY historical personalities past or present.khawarij used to curse ali but he never declared them kaffir ! now imagine if a sunni curses ali ?? will any shias EVER unite with him or even consider him a muslim ? So how can they expect sunnis to overlook their harsh criticism of people sunnis hold in such high esteem, esp since 99% of sunnis also extol ali and his progeny greatly.

Agreed with the bolded part except the fact that we dont abuse /crticise ahl e bayt. Khawarij do and we place them in same category as shias.

@Das_Reich

root cause is imamate not tabarra which is the cause of division.A shia who believes in imamate of how can they not curse those who opposed such a central pillar of religion ( as they see it) can you really blame them for it ? they see shias who preach against tabarra as those who are trying to appease sunnis, this serves to only further reinforces their determination of cursing shaykhan and wives.

so what im trying to say the division now is VERY deeply rooted because concepts like imamate have become central pillars of shiaism and
collective immunity from criticism of sahaba in sunni islam ( although this is not such a central tenent amongst sunnis as shias).

We are talking about root cause of hostility not the basic difference, which indeed is imamat.

Dont want to discuss this further