It is very well-known that Allah will not forgive SHIRK.
I need refrence for that. Thanks!
I believe the verse you are looking for is Qur'an 4:48 which says: "Verily Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him but He forgives except that to whom He wills..."
Also, read the explanation of this verse in the thread titled 'Now what...... is this end of world'
Iqbal
I will have to read some more on this issue before giving my comments. My belief in Allah SWT's Rahmaniyat and Raheemiyat stop me from taking the translation as 'once commited shirk then must be punished'.
Secondly, the concept of shirk is very profound that covers not only verbally considering someone Allah's shareek but also conceptually (at time unintentionally) commiting this sin.
Anyway, in the mean time if there are any other related verses, hadiths etc. then please feel free to post 'em.
Ahmedjee
004.048 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
I don't think the above ayat needs any A'Hadeeth to clarify it's meaning.
I'm very sure of the above meaning and have no problems digesting it.
Do the same!!
And the verse:
Indeed, Allaah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allaah has certainly gone far astray. [Soorah an-Nisa' 4: 116]
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
Just so I understand it correctly, the interpretation of the verse being explained here is that:
Even if a person repents & beg for forgiveness Allah will not forgive Shirik as it’s unforgivable.
or
If someone does not repent & die than Allah might forgive all other sins but not Shirik.
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Just so I understand it correctly, the interpretation of the verse being explained here is that:
Even if a person repents & beg for forgiveness Allah will not forgive Shirik as it’s unforgivable.
or
If someone does not repent & die than Allah might forgive all other sins but not Shirik.
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It applies to when one committs and does not repent, that is he dies in state of "mushrik/(a)".
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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Just so I understand it correctly, the interpretation of the verse being explained here is that:
Even if a person repents & beg for forgiveness Allah will not forgive Shirik as it’s unforgivable.
or
If someone does not repent & die than Allah might forgive all other sins but not Shirik.
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You can always ask forgiveness from Allah swt before your death. The door is always open wide for HIS servants. Even if someone who has previously associates partner with Allah …and if he come to realize his mistake he still have hope & repent.
But after your death, your kitab (book) is closed and there will not be any entry for sawab/goodness or Ghunah
And in the day of Qiyamah (judgment), the account will be debited and credited (I am using lay men term).
Guys does saying "Koran 4:48" mean like the reference is surah 4, line 48?
cos using Professor AJ Arberry's Translation of the Koran, that makes it the following like:
"behind them weak seed, would be afraid"
Thats not right is it?
So how do you reference the Koran like that, cos it just jumps in 5's on the side numberings-whatever they stand for.
4:48 means chapter 4 verse 48
&peace
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
12:108. Say, “This is my way. I call people to Allah with reason, and not through blind faith, vague dogmas or by stunning your intellect with miracles. And that is what my followers do. Allah is Glorious, Exalted; I do not associate others with Him.”
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12:108. Say, “This is my way. I call people to Allah with reason, **and not through blind faith, vague dogmas or by stunning your intellect with miracles*. And that is what my followers do. Allah is Glorious, Exalted; I do not associate others with Him.”
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Some of the words in the above quote - namely, "and not through blind faith, vague dogmas or by stunning your intellect with miracles - are not found in the verse cited. So this is not really a translation of the verse but rather an attempt on the part of the translator to give an estimation of what the verse means, which is not always the same as what the verse says. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, for example, translates this verse as follows (his rendition more closely follows the original Arabic):
"Say thou: 'This is my Way: i do invite unto God on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes - i and whoever follows me. Glory to God! and never will i join gods with God.'"
And Allah knows best.
Iqbal
It is absurd that none of you has thought to define "Shirk" before embarking on your reference expeditions.
How can one not ascribe partners to Allah and still be indulging in shirk; what does the word "association" mean; is it just in the literal sense - image worshipping and the like - or are there different forms of shirk that can have to do with conscious or unconscious thought processes, what is in your heart at any given time, etc... There are some things we do that may be classified as shirks even though we may not think of them that way, for example, since we cannot see Allah we may subconsciously think of Him as a never-ending space, a very bright light, or something infinite. That can be called image worship in itself, because even infinity has limiting boundaries since it can be defined as infinity, and Allah is basically limitless.