The international media has specially and our local media generally has unduly criticised intelligence agencies of being corrupt or secretly aiding Talibs. But looking bak at events since 2007, i see that they have been the main targets of terrorism, soecially ISI and FIA. Tens of them have died in these attacks and Al-Qaeda has repeatedly asked its networks to attack them.
This so unfair to criticise them, i feel. Trying to bringup their past connections with Talibs is also not correct, for they were just doing what the government policy was at that time. They follow what their commands tells them to do. These are not rouge agencies but very important instituions whom should not bashing targets.
The international media has specially and our local media generally has unduly criticised intelligence agencies of being corrupt or secretly aiding Talibs. But looking bak at events since 2007, i see that they have been the main targets of terrorism, soecially ISI and FIA. Tens of them have died in these attacks and Al-Qaeda has repeatedly asked its networks to attack them.
This so unfair to criticise them, i feel. Trying to bringup their past connections with Talibs is also not correct, for they were just doing what the government policy was at that time. They follow what their commands tells them to do. These are not rouge agencies but very important instituions whom should not bashing targets.
I agreed with you bro but....
kuch tou hai na jis ka pahad banta hai...
there is still some or lot of black sheeps inside ISI... specially who those join in the period of ZIA.. somehow backing up or giving inside informations to them....
The army is still in cities. Britishers made their camps out of cities but after 100 or more years cities spread around the army bases and now you can see the problems of different styles including terrorists attacks. New camps are required outside cities and those should be very economical (Even they can give benefit) . Army should must stay away from all sort of business activities and housing should be strict to new cantts only.
Iconoclast, I tend to agree. It doesn't make sense that an agency would be supporting a group that is actively working against that same agency.
Part of the problem is confusion surrounding the term "Taliban"
If we are talking about the Afghan Taliban, then it's very much possible (and perhaps sound geopolitical policy) for ISI to be supporting the Afghan Taliban.
But as for "Pakistani Taliban" (TTP), it just doesn't make sense since it's clear that TTP is a force of criminal elements implementing a well orchestrated foreign agenda, which is essentially anti-Pakistan, to weaken, destabilize, and demoralize.
As for why they use the term Taliban, it's a perfect cover. Not only does it help them recruit religiously minded people whom they then brainwash and manipulate for their own endeavors, but if one accepts that TTP is truly an anti-Pakistan force, then it follows that they do not want a Pakistan-friendly government in Afghanistan, so discrediting the Taliban by using their name would help turn public sentiment in Pakistan against them, thereby leaving Pakistan stranded between America on one end, and TTP on the other; being forced to either pick one or somehow straddle between the two (in either case, instability and confusion reigns)
khair it's a bit more complex than that, but that's the jist of it from my end.
to be fair, the criticism has always been that there are elements in these agencies that are sympathetic to the Taliban - not the complete organizations.
what they really should be criticized for imo is their incompetence. if we are supposed to have such active and strong agencies, then where are their intelligence reports? why do we have so many casualties when it is the job of these agencies to keep tabs on these terrorist elements.
the reason why they dont know what these Taliban are up to is because theyre too busy investigating shady oil and gas deals and corruption charges against a democratic govt. if they were focusing on their real job, then maybe we wouldn`t have seen what we have seen in the recent past.
The international media has specially and our local media generally has unduly criticised intelligence agencies of being corrupt or secretly aiding Talibs. But looking bak at events since 2007, i see that they have been the main targets of terrorism, soecially ISI and FIA. Tens of them have died in these attacks and Al-Qaeda has repeatedly asked its networks to attack them.
This so unfair to criticise them, i feel. Trying to bringup their past connections with Talibs is also not correct, for they were just doing what the government policy was at that time. They follow what their commands tells them to do. These are not rouge agencies but very important instituions whom should not bashing targets.
Success has many fathers failure is an orphan, just like amreekan dance in Afghan... If not big bad ISI then Pakis will find something or someone else.
Forget NY Times and Indian media, but no Pakistani blames ISI as an institution for these attacks.
What many people are saying is that there are bad elements who have been indoctrinated by jihadi elements because of ISI's past policies. Even many former Army officers have said this.
there is still some or lot of black sheeps inside ISI... specially who those join in the period of ZIA.. somehow backing up or giving inside informations to them....
well if u say that both afghani and pakistani talibs are same then that is very wrong. no doubt that mehsood was first with afghan talibans but now a days it has divided and afghan talibans had already said the statement that whatever these pakistani talibs are doing is totally against Islam and is terrorism and they are not a part of us now.
well yes if ISI agents are backing pakistani talibs then this is traitorship but if they back afghan talibans then this is right and attacks on US and NATO forces are strongly according to Islam and must be alongwith attacks on indian training centers there in afghanistan who are brainwashing and using talibs in pakistan.
The international media has specially and our local media generally has unduly criticised intelligence agencies of being corrupt or secretly aiding Talibs. But looking bak at events since 2007, i see that they have been the main targets of terrorism, soecially ISI and FIA. Tens of them have died in these attacks and Al-Qaeda has repeatedly asked its networks to attack them.
This so unfair to criticise them, i feel. Trying to bringup their past connections with Talibs is also not correct, for they were just doing what the government policy was at that time. They follow what their commands tells them to do. These are not rouge agencies but very important instituions whom should not bashing targets.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Burden of proof is on ISI to show that it has cut its links with jihadi groups. Until such time its role will continue to be scrutinized as it should. **
ISI and other Agencies are our Lines of Defence, if our enemies are criticizing them, then it should be a good news and proved that it is not easy for all these agencies to penetrate in these agencies... the media reports just shows their frustration...
There are plenty Pakistanies who are nothing more than brain-dead and they have believe on each and every word of western media, the believe is at the level where if western media states something against the Quran, these people will start advocating it, and later if the western media/govt/agencies realizes their mistake and take a step back, these people still continue to advocate them on their earlier stance...
Where there is smoke there is fire. Burden of proof is on ISI to show that it has cut its links with jihadi groups. Until such time its role will continue to be scrutinized as it should.
Afghan war was Joint Operation of CIA and ISI, can CIA proof that they have cut all ties with the so-called Jihadi Groups... can you dare to ask CIA this question???
Quick question how many of you know these blacksheep do infact exist? Other than what you read in the media and believe to be true?
Do recall this concept was brought up by the CIA not by anybody with any true knowledge of our agencies.
Thats it. Most of these folks have never seen an ISI agent let alone know if they are of the "jihadi element". This sort of accusation, if you will, first appeared in western media and still appears and thats what they read and know and make their own opinion.
I think ISI should not interfere (if it is interfering) in afghanistan to help talibs there who are targeting US, i think US is teaching us a lesson for this by doing bomb blasts here in pakistan.