UNDP refutes Imran’s claim

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These are the followers of the same family enterprise that walked (supported) the Long March twice for an independent and fair judiciary both under dictator and the civilian government, yet they have the gall to say that it is wrong to expect the courts to follow their own rule and it is something so very normal and democratic that small tribunals are not following the laws of the land by refusing to launch any investigation. Instead of opposing such denial of justice, people should either shut up or put up with it.

Yes, it is indeed very democratic. Clearly, PMLN's every trick, every hitch and every hurdle to block investigation alludes to their larger than life guilty concious and it is evident they have lot more to hide than an average person can imagine. Otherwise, if they have won "fair and square" in Punjab, why on earth would they block the tribunals from investigating? They'd rather meet Imran on the negotiations table and hope to do a muq muqa with him in secret than expose his "lies" and "non-sense" politics by allowing the courts to give him an answer. In regards to Reform, any subsequent Reform which will formalise in the Parliament undoubtedly include greater or same level of emphasis on tribunals and EC to perform their duties promptly and fairly, if both these departments are already not following the existing law and their own procedures, exactly what kind of clause should be added to the Reform that'll perhaps make the Tribunals and EC abide the law?

Amusing to see PMLN supporters pretending Imran the nobody is talking non-sense politics while he's absolutely dominating the opposition to the point if annihilating the PMLN.

For bit of fun, according Sustainable Development Policy Institute reported a steady increase in PTI's popularity in last year while an unfortunate decline occurred in PMLN's graph.

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All PTI gang got together her but not a single sensible word or anything on topic under discussion...

Hence, moral of the story is, IK is a liar, he have some kind of mental disorder which is either because of his colorful past or from the fit he got last year...whatever reason, PTI supporter and their leaders can have positive discussion on none of the topic related to Pakistani politician...another PTI jiyala have proved it on a tv show.

Anyway, the whole of gang PTI couldn't answer a simple thing...why PTI have not suggested reforms in electoral politics. The argument given above are either lame or total non-sense but then what would one can accept from the followers of IK.... Even IK cannot talk sense for than 3 seconds...

More interesting most of the PTIans demanding anarchy in Pakistan are not living there or have not vested interest in the country...so it is fine by the them if the country goes to hell...they can rebuild once,everything is destroyed...which is nothing more than a fools dream..here fool is IK

Again anyone, why IK or PTI have not proposed any reform I'm electoral process during last one year?

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As usual, no substance, no style, no sense. Just a barrage of desperate attack and insults on PTI supporters and Imran from a person who cries the most about PTI's fans' so called behaviour issues.

The discussion is clearly having an Ostrich effect on you. And you know what, you can make fifty more posts pretending to have comprehension problems. I don't give a hoot about convincing you nor I actually give a damn about your morally duplicitous and vendetta ridden opinions or questions. Let the readers see for themselves, and let the other gang members decide whether they're bothered to waste any energy and time on you. Your inadqaute and failing comprehensions skills are not my problem.

PS: The issue has been raised in the Parliament and there are Commissions and Committees formed to discuss rigging. Find out more on your own if you care.

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^^^

Lol to frustrated PTI cult...all gang here cannot answer one simple and direct question...tells all about them...now you can start over again...anyway,many luck teaching your leader to not to lie?

And it took you 4 pages to find out that there is parliamentary committee working on fixing things... If this is the case then what's with the fuss....? I think I may be lucky to get the answer to this in about 4 pages because this is what it takes PTI cult followers to get a point... So called educated lot...

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^ parliamentary committee working on electoral reforms, the fuss is accountability of elections 2013, punishment of ppl involved in rigging.

truth is you don’t want to understand the point, or you understood not ready to accept, may be this can help you

Imran Khan allegation & UNDP Claim ----- Fawad Chaudhry & Moeed Pirzada Analysis - Video Dailymotion

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The proposed mob threats by Mr. IK to influence the courts by proposed long march on 14th august where policeman will be hanged personally by Mr. Khan is a pathetic attempt. The fact is that Mr. Khan is not willing to propose electoral reforms in the assembly which is the right forum to raise these issues and where a meaningful solution can be found.

Seeking justice by force? - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Seeking justice by force?

By Babar Sattar

The writer is a lawyer.

WILL vying for instant solutions instead of lasting policy and institutional reform help save Pakistan? Agreed, for democracy to be credible we need the electoral process and its outcomes to be just, fair and honest. And for rule of law and constitutionalism to prosper we need a court system that is seen to be free from bias and producing results that are timely and consistent with established principles of equity and justice.

The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf’s (PTI) gripe that it hasn’t been meted out justice by the electoral or the judicial system is serious. But it is the proposed (non)solutions in the face of perceived injustices that leave one wondering if Imran Khan’s personal frustration at not being prime minister (already) and his contempt for the Sharif brothers have gotten the better of his judgement or if PTI despite seeing itself as the harbinger for change simply lacks the vision to fix the mess we find ourselves in.

Imran Khan has reportedly declared that the Aug 14 long march can be suspended only if a three-member judicial commission under Chief Justice Nasirul Mulk investigates the election fraud and gives its findings in two weeks. Is PTI’s march really against the judiciary then, as my friend Saad Rasool argued in his column last week? If the Supreme Court aggrieves a political party, which principles of law, justice or democracy justify raising a mob to seek recompense?

Having named his party Tehreek-i-Insaf (movement for justice), does IK not realise that courts must be allowed to function without considerations of fear or favour? If PTI was wronged by the Iftikhar Chaudhry Supreme Court that is alleged to have been motivated by the consideration of favouring PML-N, can such wrong be righted by placing the present Supreme Court under the fear of a million man march? Is IK opposed to courts being drawn into the political thicket as a matter of principle, or only if done by a rival party?

Do IK and other thinking minds in the PTI (especially Asad Umar, Jehangir Tareen and Dr Alvi) not realise that blackmailing a court into meting out desirable outcomes is a perversion of justice? The litigation process is designed to produce winners and losers. Every time the court disposes of a matter at least one party is unhappy. What precedent is the PTI trying to set here? That if the court fails to dispense desirable justice till the exhaustion of patience of a litigating party it is fair game to bring out a mob to force the court’s hand?

Does the PTI not know that the Constitution holds the Election Commission responsible for holding free and fair elections and not the judiciary or the executive? That 60 days past the publication of returned candidates even the Election Commission cannot declare a poll void, and such authority vests exclusively in election tribunals? That the Supreme Court as the highest court of the land is not meant to be a trier of facts, and when such role was assumed by CJ Chaudhry it was seen as an abuse of authority and rightly so?

Does the PTI not know that appeals against election tribunal decisions lie before the Supreme Court under the Representation of Peoples Act, 1976, and it is thus undesirable for the court to pre-empt a trial or defeat the right of appeal by holding factual inquiries into allegations of election fraud in the exercise of suo moto powers (or under threat of a mob march)?

Has the PTI checked with Mr Hamid Khan if failure of election tribunals to render decisions within the four-month statutory period is a conspiracy against the PTI, or a manifestation of customary (even if abhorrent) delays in our justice system across Pakistan, including in PTI-led KP? If judicial delay is the festering endemic problem that it is, how can the PTI’s proposed solution be as vacuous as a long march?

Article 222 of the Constitution vests in parliament the legislative authority to deal with “doubts and disputes arising in connection with elections” and “corrupt practices and other offences in connection with elections”. In exercise of such power, parliament promulgated the Representation of Peoples Act, 1976. If this law now seems inadequate or ineffectual, where are the PTI’s proposed amendments?

The inordinate delays in our justice system leave thousands of citizens aggrieved on a daily basis. Has the PTI proposed any legislative measures at the centre or taken any executive measures within KP to address the crisis of our malfunctioning court system? Who is preventing it from passing laws to reform the judicial system in KP so that courts there stand in contrast to those in the rest of Pakistan?

The point is that sloganeering, censure or threats will not instigate the institutional and behavioral reforms we need in our electoral and justice sectors. Sustainable change needs serious painstaking work in its most mundane form. It doesn’t produce breaking news and its gratification is not instant. Led by pygmies, we in Pakistan have unfortunately begun to confuse rhetoric with reform and accusations and media trials with accountability and justice.

Electoral or judicial reforms are matters worth protesting and marching for, as contingent on them is the health and future of Pakistan’s democracy and rule of law. But will recount or reelection in four constituencies ensure that electronic voting gets introduced in Pakistan, or that returning officers in the next election are trained and independent, or that the machinery in place to address election disputes is credible and efficient?

Will the threat of a long march as a means of seeking justice bring us closer to the constitutional promise that courts shall treat all citizens equally (whether it is IK who is aggrieved or the average Joe) or will it further entrench the ‘ground reality’ that some, who are more equal than others, are to be treated preferentially? If PTI is genuinely interested in being the harbinger of change for Pakistan, it must get down to the nuts and bolts of policy reform and acquaint itself (and its supporters) with the idea of delayed gratification.

The writer is a lawyer.

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Interesting tweet from Hamid Mir. Can any constitutional and parliamentary expert shed some light on this please?


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In any other country this admission would cause uproar, in Pakistan its usual business. Shocking statement.

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This rotten mentality and anti democratic culture will change one day.

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And Hamid Mir is a constitutional expert … :hehe:

Speaker’s Old chum of Aitchison and Lahore need “constitutional authority” to proceed any bill in the assembly … funny !

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^ he is not talking about "bill", he is talking about "debate/discussion".

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I couldn't make heads or tails of panchi's post.

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^ no one can make it

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Panchi ko paani ki zaroorat par gyi hai

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So, last time, it took PTI cult followers 4 pages to find out that there is parliamentary committee working on reforms.. electoral reforms... while they are working on the legislation of what need to be fixed... what is making IK restless??? and make the vice chairman of PTI Shah Mehmood Qureshi say that PML-Q and PTI have same goal??? wow is this new low for PTI or PML-Q after being 10 year in power have found moon-sand??? or have became saints overnight like Sheikh Rasheed...

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^ you don't read properly and keep asking, comitte ban gai but nothing working as usual delay politics by noon league. anyhow I am writing for third time the fuss or restlessness is ACCOUNTABILITY of 2013 rigged election. may be its ok for you to move on koi nhi rigging ho gai tu kya hua hamesha hoti ha

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If PMLN cult knew it they could've informed on 1st page, no? BTW, what is govt/EC going to do about the reforms if rigging still takes place? Shove it up the 'reformers'?

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Did you know why the formation of this committee was delayed. Just 3 days ago PTI finalized the names of their nominees for this committee. BTW PTI was the last party to name their nominees. Now this committee is finally formed just 3/4 days ago and already PTI cult followers accusing that the lesser citizens of Pakistan.. the non PTI group is delaying the reform agenda. Aqal sirf PTI walon main hai..

I fail to understand why PTI cult followers find it their duty to comment on things for which they have no knowledge..

As far as rigging is concerned.. it can not be proven just because PTI says so.. It’s not enough. There is a due legal procedure where you have to prove it. And not necessarily the courts will be satisfied and there is a huge possibility that the courts will quash such appeals. But PTI cult will surely throw dirt on courts and judges in the media if they do so.. Such a coerced under pressure justice and the whole legal process on these issues has become doubtful already in my opinion due to the behavior of PTI cult and media. Already the session judge level ROs have been declared as corrupt mafia by Saint Khan (according to the true believers of the cult Khan probably he is the god Khan).

Mr. Khan’s new duty is to declare fatwas on people if they are corrupt or not publicly without evidence or without proven legal judgement. Mr. Najam Sethi, a victim of such fatwas rightly portrays Mr. Khan as Im the Dim in his publication in a very humorous way.. The company of geniuses like Moby, Salli and Goldie is quite visible on single cell brain possessing Khan..

Howzzat
TFT TFT Issue: 27 Jun 2014

Howzzat

Rite. I’m going to rite this myself this week, without Najam Sethi editing it. To proof those rong who think I can’t spel. Or rite. Wen I was at Aitchison I was very good at jogruffy unlike Nawaz Sharif and Najam Sethi who never went to Aitchison, let alon Tahir ul Qadri who’s stolen the revlooshun from me. If Tahir ul Q is to be believed, a new era is about to yawn. Pepel think I’m jellus of Tahir ul Q. Why the (expletive)ing hell shud I be jellus of that (expletive)ing joker? Who the (expletive)ing expletive does he think he is? Steeling the revlooshun from me and other great revlooshnaries like Makhdum Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, Khan Jehangir Khan Tareen, Mian Yousaf Salahuddin, Moby and Goldie. In fact, Tahir ul Q is full of expletive. Like the udder day when he got off the plane from Canada and sed “the countdown to change has begun”. Moby said “but IK, that’s our line”. It was pruf if pruf is needed that T is also a (expletive)ing theef.

I wasn’t about to let him get away with that so I made the following announcement: “The countdown to Change has begun. 10 … 9 … 6 … 3 … 7 … 4 … er …” All my flowers on Twitter and PTI trolls immeejutly retweeted my mesej. And gess what, unlike me and Jem, T’s got no flowers on Twitter. He’s a disaster but the ISI stil wants to me to be frends with him. “What the (expletive)ing hell for?” I asked them. They pressed all the rite butons – revlooshun, real chang, ghairat – so I asked them, “ok. If I go along with Tahir ul Q, wot’ll you do for me? Will you stop beeng dollar khors?” I haven’t heard from them since. Wich is just as wel. Becoz I can’t share the lime lite with anywon let alon this T fello.

But I’m going to be jenrus and not say anything meen about him. Jenrossity is a character stick of ghairatmands. Wich reminds me, wen I get hom I have to take the dog for a wok and tel him look here you’ve been living in my hous rent free for 8 yearz. Isn’t it time you got a job?

Im the Dim

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You need to think properly before typing words here,.. You and your kind, what do you know about the working of the system? Everything happens overnight? Yeah I know if the cult god says that he'll eliminate corruption overnight and then fails to do so...he blames everyone about it...

To IK and his blind followers, all the judges in the country are corrupt, all the police officers are corrupt...so donot respect the judge and if possible hang the policemen is what cult followers religion in today's date..

Moreover, the Tsunami khan who day and night brag about the change and providing justice and what not...is now joining hands with Atta-chor, cheeni-chor of their times..yeah the ch. Brothers, who were ruling Punjab and were deputy prime minister in zardari's era... He is going to join hand with them and going to put the rejected politicians on our head and then you and your cult thinks why Punjab don't vote for them?

How many of the cult followers are into economics and finance! Ask them the post 19 April and todays politically unstable Pakistan...what do you want! People take their businesses to Srilanka and Bangladesh because one PM of social media couldn't win election and that purely because of his own mistakes and miscalculation..

The revolution you and the cult leader in opting for is first of all going to burn defense housing society and going to rape and kill the rich... So are you ready for that...or just thinking that because you people reside outside Pakistan all this is not going to come to you..

So much hatred IK have spilled, the one which was not there prior to him and now he with his strategy to politically and economically destabilize Pakistan... If businesses close down...who is going to get job and where?? Even oil rich gulf countries are now forcing private sector to employ locals? Ever wonder why? Because govt cannot provide jobs for all.... And the private sector which can provide only works if political environment is stable...doesn't matter which country it may be..

You people and yes is said yup people arm-chair warriors, most of you hardly have gone out to feel the heat...mostly the Pepsi and burger generation busy discussing new dresses don't have any idea how it reached and here you are all bragging any discussing fate of the nation...ironic

Learn to read, study and analyze what, why anything is said and what a impact of a statement can be... But I guess the cult who have become admirer of shk Rasheed won't be able to understand single thing I have stated above...Allah forbid, and you are forced to return to Pakistan then what...would you go for such agitation, would like your loved ones go out to win bread and butter while immature politics is around...

And now bout the rigging...ask Hamid khan why is he running...2ndly, if everyone is corrupt like IK says, then whom is asking to provide him justice...

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PMLn is anything but cult because they don't follow blindly...like you does, who might cannot think that IK can ever say anything wrong...

Btw in the coming times when PTI is going to take the roads to push country into more darkness, how many you gonna loot for your god...