Understanding Fiq'ha : Concept, validity, reasoning

There are few Schools of thought in Islam which are reqarded highly among muslims. These are namely, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Hambali and among shia muslims, Fiqah Jafaria.

I have a few questions, If someone has an insight then please answer.

i) What is the legal status of Fiqah, according to quran and sunnah ?

ii) Who declared them ( each one of them ) a ‘school of thought in Islam’ ? Whether these noble scholars declared it as such or their followers did it ?

iii) How binding are they ? Whether Adherense to one of them is Allowed ? reccomended ? If yes then why ?

iv) Is this set of schools of thoughts, fiqah (4 or 5 ) mutually exhaustive ? or there can be an addition. Like follower of any scholar declare the interpretation as ‘fiqah’. For instance Shah wali Allah, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Ghamidi, Dr. Israar or Dr.Zakir Naik etc can we treat their work/research and interpretation of Islam as a Fiqah ? If not they why ?

I know these questions require advanced knowledge and understanding, so it would be advisable to take back seat if your dont have complete grasp of the said subject like me :flower1: and let those explain who have studied and can explain it better. Thanks

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Interesting... Hope we can learn from this thread.

i don't say that i have complete knowledge of Islam or of those issues mentioned above but i do have hunger of learning.

i) What is the legal status of Fiqah, according to quran and sunnah ?

Let me ellaborate it with the help of Example:
Every Country have its own labor/employement laws. based on these laws organizations of those countries develop there Human Resource and Admnistration Manuals. none of the things mentioned in the manual can contradict the law defined by the govt.

Same applies to Fiqah. to me they are by-laws with in the boundries of Quran and Sahih Hadith, All the four imam defined them as per the needs of their times and as per their understanding of an issue and/or Quran-Hadith.

They played role of a Lawyer who defines the complex legal terms to his clients in easy and do able language, and/or advice them as per the law or regulations.

If agreed till here then i can go forward.

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^^ very good..

I have a very littele knowledge about all the questions..but since questions are very intelligently put and defines the over-all scenario of whole islamic law and shariah...i will try my little knowledge to just add a pinch of my few knowledge so that any one more learned can correct me..if i am wrong...

With conquets in large area ..almost half world...thousnds of new conditions and problems arises..about which quran and sunnah were silent...Then..there the law or Fiqah was developed to solve these problems....

Quran==Book of Principles.....
its defines basic laws...aqaid..imaniat....rules and regulations...but never in detail..just wrap up the whole islamic basic principles without going into detail....

Sunnah/Hadees===its elobrates and defines the quran and problems of sahabas times when prophet(pbuh) himself was alive...so no need to ask anyone ...about any problem as prophet(pbuh) himself told that.....

Fiqah=== when Muaz bin Jabal was sent as Governor of Yemen..prophet(pbuh) asked him..what will you do if any problem in deen come to you ????

He replied ...i will search it into....
1.quran
2.hadees

and if not find anything ..then use my knowledge of guess or qiyaas to solve this problem....and prophet(pbuh) smiled and said ..you are right...and prayed for him...and when he was about to left...prophet(pbuh) with taers in his eyes turned his face backward so that Nuaz could not feel lonely of leaving prophet(pbuh)...Then prophet(pbuh) replied...may be ...when you come agin to Madina..cannot see me alive...on hearing this...Muaz crying with louder voice...prophet(pbuh) himself have tears in his eyes and said ..Muaz....dont weep with voice..its is forbidden....

So...point is status of Muaz bin Jabbal wa so great that ...his answer of using Qiyaas was approved by prophet(pbuh) and this is the basic hadees which is used byall fuqhas in proof of thier fiqah preparation....

after death of prophet(pbuh)....in sahabs ..very large no. ofd problem arises....

*quran collection....in abu bakr period....

*wine issue in umar period....hadd ..then how many lashes...and Ali..the greatest jurist and scholar of quran gave the final ruling and all sahabas accepted that....

*the lands conquered by umar ..will be kept by warriors or original iraqis and iranis..in umar period....

*umar intention to put limit on Haq Mehr...but woman came and opposed him....

etc etc.....

But when 3 continents were undser muslims in Ummayyads period....thousands of new problems by people of different lands....so then fiqah was developed.....

Fiqah=== deduction from quran and sunnah...provided not a single law of quran and sunnah is opposed....

Fiqah== Istadlal...qiyaas...ishtakhraj.....means the fruits of quran and sunnah....

Deduce karna...akhaz karna...nichoar ...etc etc....

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although this example is not exact analogy...but examples are always a best tool to explain something.....

Quran + Hadees ==== Constitution of Pakstan
Fiqah problem == sacking of CJ of Pakistan
Fuqha or 4 imams ==== 13 judges of SC of Pakistan

now..problem of fiqah is that President cannot dismis any judge and CJ ...but he says that he can....

Since quran and sunnah(Constitution of pakistan deals with 209 clause of dismissal)....but not defines about CJ....so problem arises....

*Can Supreme Judicial council dismiss or non fuction any judge ????

  • Is SJC is higher body than SC ????

*Can President put a detention on CJ in house ?????

*SJC represents only half federation ..two High Courts judges...but SC repenst all Pakistan federation ?????

  • can SC interfere in SJC matters...as both atre judicial bodies etc etc....

Now ...fuqhas === honurable judges of SC ...13 in this case...will post martum..each and ecvery clause of Constituiton related matter...look into previous cases decisons...and then by defing and elobrating the Constituon of pakistan..will solve this problem.....

13 judges cannot reach at a single solution...some may vary..depending from which angel...they are looking into the matter.....

just as 4 imams or ahle hadees imam...can differ into aspecific problem.....

but...but...but.....

cannot ever we think that 13 SC judges give a bias or wrong decision...they may vary...but we cannot blame on the purity of honurable judges....

similarly...4 iamsm of fuqhas..or ahle hadees can vary...but we cannot even think that ...they did it intentionally or wrong...all are correct...only looking at a matter is from different angel...thats the only difference...nothing else....

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  1. Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh’hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib [schools of thought] can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.

Signed,Mahmood Shaltoot.
Grand Mufi (Al-Azhar University)
Egypt

Means it depends on you , if you accept the one you doing good is correct as per Quran and Hadith , then do it.
How ever if you blindly following some thing which is not clear to you, then there is chances to go wrong. Therefor Allah Subhana wa Tallah, has declared in Quran that (use eyes and brain ) to see the reality. If we blindly following the above sects, without our knowledge and study, there is danger to loss the direction of Quran.

ALLAH HAM SAB KA HAMI WA NASIR HO

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All I got to say:

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I will try my best with my best of knowledge

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i) What is the legal status of Fiqah, according to quran and sunnah ?
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To start with Fiqah as a complete study was derived from Quran and Sunnah.

Now stating that Islam is rigid is wrong and theyare various examples but at this point of time, i will avoid it.
1) Quran is something which cannot be changed.
2) Sunnah its already there and this cannot be changed. What i mean by sunnah is what has happened during the time Prophet was alive, and i ignore sunnah which has been an influence of culture. So at this point Quran and sunnah, will remain the same and no change in it.
3) Qiyas: It is derived from analogy of any quran and sunnah, for that particular time or period only. Example praying in space was a big issue, as this issue wasnt there during the time of Prophet but the derivation had to be from Quran and Sunnah.
4) Ijma consensus of the scholars on a particular but again derived from Quran and Sunnah.

Now the other type can be ijtihad, which has to be passed by a Mujtahid , and should be well learned jurispudence of Islam but derived from Quran and Sunnah. The best eg. is of Abu Hanifa coz at that time Islam spread like wildfire and entered new cultures and he was being answered all sought of questions.

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***ii) Who declared them ( each one of them ) a 'school of thought in Islam' ? Whether these noble scholars declared it as such or their followers did it ?*
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The scholars have no where been a part of declaring there own madhab but yes the followers have declared. No where in the history you can find any scholar asserting to follow his madhab.

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***iii) How binding are they ? Whether Adherense to one of them is Allowed ? reccomended ? If yes then why ?*
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This is a sensitive issue few scholars have a definite stand who say follow it though it goes against the authentic sunnah. Few scholars, believe follow the madhab existing in your country/place you are living in but if it goes against the Quran and Sunnah then reject the view of the madhab you are following as you have a much stronger evidence.

I feel strict adherence to any madhab is left to any individual who follows it, but thinking rationally about it is what is been taught about in the Quran.

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***iv) Is this set of schools of thoughts, fiqah (4 or 5 ) mutually exhaustive ? or there can be an addition. Like follower of any scholar declare the interpretation as 'fiqah'. For instance Shah wali Allah, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Ghamidi, Dr. Israar or Dr.Zakir Naik etc can we treat their work/research and interpretation of Islam as a Fiqah ? If not they why ?*
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Again brother i have explained in your first point the 4 ways to regard it as the Fiqah of Islam let it be any scholar. But yes first identify the authenticity of any respected scholar and then try to search if any of the scholars legal rulings are against the Word of Allaah.
Then if its only a derivation from the Sunnah of the Prophet again try to search is this against the Word of Allaah if it contradicts then just throw the legal ruling to the wall.
The qiyas and ijma are more of rational thinking and knowledge. Because this needs knowledge of Quran, sunnah and the period or time a legal ruling is being passed.

Allaah knows the best, everything good above is from Allaah and prophet, and anything wrong is from satan and I.

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Thankyou brothers for trying to answer the querries :flower1:

I am reading them and trying to understand them, as the stuff is lengthy, I will discuss once i am done. Meanwhile please do share your opinion regarding these question, topic. I hope we can learn from each other’s knowledge and understanding :slight_smile:

ps. please quote the question in your post if you are answering any question here. :jazak:

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Ok, if we consider them by-laws then who sanctioned them ? Does quran and hadees give any hint that it should be understood with the help of the fiqah?

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They played role of a Lawyer who defines the complex legal terms to his clients in easy and do able language, and/or advice them as per the law or regulations.

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to begin with, quranic legal terms are quite simple and what i see lawyers sometimes made it complex

To me, the importance given to fiq'ha by muslims is not justified. Because they have no legal status in Islam. At most they should be considered as helping material in conjunction with the primary source i.e the text book, holy quran.

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:salam:

Can’t believe I never saw this thread. Would love to participate in it, ofcourse after I read through it.

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I think second question is easy

*ii) Who declared them ( each one of them ) a 'school of thought in Islam' ? Whether these noble scholars declared it as such or their followers did it ?
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I think most of agree that those scholars never declare their work as fiq'ha. Later muslim declared them as such

But important question is :
*Was there any concept of fiq'ha before them ? during the time of prophet (pbuh) and khulafa-e-rashideen ?
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iii) How binding are they ? Whether Adherense to one of them is Allowed ? reccomended ? If yes then why ?

They cant be binding, allowed may be if it makes your life easier. Because fundamentally the are not part of Islam

****v) Is this set of schools of thoughts, fiqah (4 or 5 ) mutually exhaustive ? or there can be an addition. Like follower of any scholar declare the interpretation as 'fiqah'. For instance Shah wali Allah, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Ghamidi, Dr. Israar or Dr.Zakir Naik etc can we treat their work/research and interpretation of Islam as a Fiqah ? If not they why ?


This is quite tricky. If we go by the need, nature of fiq'ah i.e understanding the islamic laws and ethics and by laws then there is always a need of 'revised' fiq'ha to address the needs of time.

But if we go by the reasoning that islamic teachings, laws rules are static and same for every era then firstly it would be realistically be wrong and same argument would nullify the need of these old established fiq'has.

On the other hand if we accept that there should be a new fiq'ha to accomodate the needs of time and encorporate materialistic requirements then if it deviates from the point of view of established school of thoughts then it would be immediately labled as 'fitna' by impatient muslim. Just like it was the case with Allama Iqbal earlyon

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Shah Waliullah was a mujtahid inside the 4 schools and even he didnt go outside the 4 madhabs.

Mufti Taqi Usmani is a senior scholar but not a mujtahid, and he follow Hanafi fiqh.

Dr. Zakir is not a scholar, at most he is scholar of comparative religion.

Dr. Israr is not a scholar.

Ghamdi cant even translate basic Arabic.

Dr. Allamah Iqbal worked under the scholars of his time, such as Imam Anwar Shah Kashmiri, and Peer Mehr Ali Shah.

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:salam:

Nice thread. I hope Inshallah! we have some nice constructive discussion here as well as criticism.

If you read almost any book of Fiqah thesedays they always mention the hadith of Muadh bin Jabal when the Prophet SAW questioned him about what sources he would use (Br. Dawa has already quoted that hadith). I think scholars, rulers or people who interpret the hadith such as to legitmize the compounding of circumstantial laws or decisions within the reference of Quran and Sunnah are correct to do so. Or if you look at it another way, as long as we do not contradict Islamic principles we are allowed to tailor laws to specific circumstances. However the hadith brings forth an imporant principle though, tha is of precedence i.e. Quran, Sunnah and then Fiqah. I take this to mean that if Quran provides a black and white answer then there is no need to spend the extra effort to adapt to a fiqhi opinion regarding a matter. Some examples would be intoxication and pork consumption. It is declared haram in unequivocal terms in the Quran and any possible exceptions have also been marked i.e. circumstances of life and death or coercion (this is not explicitly for the mentioned items but a general rule). Prayer is another example, we are not allowed to skip prayer even if we have to do it by just doing it in the heart if our circumstances are such. Fiqah, wisdom and environmental familiarity apart from religion go hand in hand. The development of Fiqah is based on the use case scenarios that occur in life that are not documented explcitily in the Quran. My personal opinion has been that Quran itself provides the option that there are instances where its laws cannot be upheld or acted upon as in the case of many haram things becoming halal (or rather excused) in life and death scenarios. So the Quran itself legitimizes or accepts the wisdom of people to to necessary things when the situation warrants it. The sunnah reiterates this and validates human wisdom within the appropriate circle of Islamic thought as is mentioned in the hadith of Muadh bin Jabal.

Followers. Each one of the great jurists whether Hanafi, Shaafi, Maliki, Hanbali or Jafari did not give a name to their interpretations or fiqh. They all respected each other as fellow jurists. I think the reason they have developed into madhabs is because of the wide base of issues they covered in their fiqh or more so because they addressed almost every issue arising in their time giving their fiqhi opinions a sort of legitimacy involving most aspects of lkife related to the religion.

In contrast the different aspects of life or issues nowadays are innumerable to have any one scholar to be able to address them all or a majority of them. Todays issues involve an average understanding of how the world functions as well which is exponentially more intricate than it was in their times. Their wisdom required less knowledge of a system but more experience in life on the contrary today a whole life of experience may not even correlate with a fraction of worldy knowledge available today.

This is a controversial question. There are scholars and people in both camps who almost oblige a muslim to stick with one camp whereas some who say its OK to switch around as needed. Conveniently it is said all madhabs are correct (I don’t buy this assumption in totality, it is only relative to what evidence they had at their disposal). The hadith literature and historical accounts available to each of these jurists was different (not entirely) and naturally their opinions on certain subjects varied from one another. Opinions are formed based on the knowledge store available and some personal thought as well. My personal opinion is that I do not even regard the madhabs but I recognize them as great jurists whose opinions we should study and regard as long as they are relevant to your circumstance. I do not force my circumstances or trick myself to believe that they tally with what they discussed just so that I can justify their opinion. If it fits, then well and good, if it doesn’t well then their are scholars and people with fiqhi opinions along the lines of modern history as well and then I am not shy to use my own brain and research Islamic literature and resources. I do not give for example Abu Hanifas opinion more signifcance to some 20th century scholar just because he is Abu Hanifa. I gie more credence to the opinion that is more time and circumstantial relevant.

Deoband, Barelvi, etc are just examples of this expandsion aren’t they. Don’t know whether everyone gives them the status of being a school of thought or not. According to the ahadith the muslims will be divided into 73 (I think) sects eventually, that could very well signify the appearance of more madhabs whether small scale or large scale as in the case of the 5 madhabs. I am against b r a n d ing madhabs, I rather recognize a scholar by his works not under the context of a madhab or following.

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^Salamvalekum USR,

Great stuff bro, just love reading your articles when you spend time with it.

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These by-laws where sanctioned by those Scholars who have dedicated their lives to understand the logic of Quran and Hadees combinedly i may say Logic of Islam.

It is like 2+2 = 4, if we apply the same logic of addition on 16+16 the answer will be 32, but the logic is same and proven.

BUT

like every human created theory, these by-laws may have defects, again iam not saying that the defect is in the source but in the bylaws itself which were evolved from the source ( Quran & Hadees), these flaws are maybe because of a understanding of a particular man under particular circumstances, inspired by no. of external factor which may or may not exist today.

So in this sense i conclude that, refrering to these by-laws is may be a good way to learn to understand the understanding of Scholars of Islam, but sticking to them like super glue and declaring anyone KAFIR who denys them is not adviceable behaviour under the Quran and Sunnah.

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to begin with, quranic legal terms are quite simple and what i see lawyers sometimes made it complex

To me, the importance given to fiq'ha by muslims is not justified. Because they have no legal status in Islam. At most they should be considered as helping material in conjunction with the primary source i.e the text book, holy quran.
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They look complex, because as i said earlier, those terms are evolved from the soruce of Wisdom but their are numerous external factors invloved as well. andif we apply the exact situation today, then those by-laws and lawyer may not seem to be as complex or backward as they look now.

we need to keep in mind the fact that after the 4th Fiqah, muslims were brain dead, and we still look 1000 years back to solve issues of today's life.
( iam not advocating a new fiqh by any mean)

Indeed the prime source of Islam is Quran, the exlpaination of Quranic terms can be seen in Ahadees and Sunnah of the Messenger (PBUH) and his companions (RZA)
(i have tried to keep it as brief as possible)

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Salamun Alaikum

One thing I would like to draw attention upon is the word ‘fiqh’ itself. In Arabic word ‘fiqh’ is used for ‘to understand’ or ‘to comprehend’ and any person who has the capability of understanding is called ‘faqeeh’. The opposite of ‘faqeeh’ is ‘safeeh’ which means foolish, idiot and stupid. In other words we can say that every person who is not ‘safeeh’ is entitled to be called as ‘faqeeh’. And it is evident from various verses of Quraan in which these words are used in the very same meanings. So, first of all it should be corrected that the use of term ‘Fiqah’ in the meaning of the Islamic bye-laws is not supported by Quraan. The correct term which is supported by Quraan is ‘Shara`a’ or ‘shariyat’. Similarly the term ‘Sunnat’ is also not the appropriate term as per Quraan and in Quraan the words used for describing the sayings and doings of Rusul are ‘Millat’ and ‘Uswa’. For detail refer http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=247619

Iltemase dua

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No one is coming up to break this pin-drop-silence? I am not surprised, but hopes are lessening.

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I will try to answer this in brief.

  1. Fiqh is allowed by Islam. When Maaz Bin Jabal was leaving for Yemen, Prophet of Allah (PBUH) asked him that how he will answer people’s question and queries aboy day to day life, He replied “through Quran”. Prophet Asked “and if you cannot find the answer”. Maaz (RA) said “then I will look into your Sunna to find the answer”. Prophet asked “if you still cannot find the answer”. He said “Then I will do Ijtehad”.

Fiqh is nothing but combination of above three

  1. Followers of each Imam eventually got a name. So instead of calling them followers of Imam Abu Hanifa, they got that name Hanafi’s

  2. Adhereance is recommended. It’s a matter of discipline and to avoid confusion. In nutshell, Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali are not very different from each other. 99% of them are same, but is is suggested to stick with one

  3. Shah Wli Ullah was/is considered Mujtahid, (according to Ulema of our time) means (e.g.) he was capable of looking into hanafi maslak and modifies that some of the Shaafi principles in it. He never did that, though.

Rest of the names you mentioned are just scholars. With all due respect, Ghamidi and Naik don’t believe in Fiqh to start with so they should not be part of the list

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Yup I would like to see more discussion in this thread.