CM, first of all, please study the concept of Freedom of Speech before trying to lecture others. It might be easier for people to swallow your brash and condescending t posts if you at least displayed a little knowledge on what you're trying to harangue to others. Freedom of speech IS limited.
Really? Now why didn't you agree when I said that so many moons ago? Read my first post in this thread. I illustrate examples where freedom of speech is limited. Good to see you agree with me. If you don't get it yet, I am mocking the "freedom of speech" in the manner in which you all describe it.
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And sorry, but by any *modern measurement or standard, executing people for adultery or apostasy **IS barbaric and archaic. Period. End of statement. There is no room for debate amongst educated people on this.I don't care what religion you follow. If whatever version of Islam you are following says it is ok, **UPDATE IT* because it is in obvious and gross error.
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How very Stalinesque of you. So its either agree with you or the other person is wrong. How educated and enlightened of you. Just one question...What measure or standard is this? Who codified it into law? Who agreed to it? Who wrote it down? Got a link or a book I can look at? Well that is a few questions, but I am sure an educated and enlightened man such as yourself can answer them.
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Murder and rape are against the law because they are heinous crimes against others, not because they are religious law. The prohibition of coveting thy neighbor's goat is also one of the 10 Commandments, but it is not against the law.
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LMAO! I suggest you do a bit of reading on the evolution of laws and how they correlate to religious edicts. Murder and rape are heinous why? Who said they were? The religious laws of the time, from Judaism to Islam.
Ironic you would pick a mass murdering dictator to try and defend your position that state sanctioned murder or stoning for moral indiscretions is not wrong. I am not going to waste precious band width or time discussing why, on every level, those practices are anything but archaic, barbaric and disgusting. It’s common sense. Join the 21st century or move to a barbaric society where that sick practice takes place. BTW, you probably won’t have internet access there since a general lack of all freedom comes with those societies.
You want to argue that murder and rape and not heinous crimes against others? Or that they have the same moral authority as the prohibition to covet your neighbors goat? What a waste of time. Do you post just for the hell of it? I think I will go answer my niece’s question about whether she should use pink or blue to color in her pony for the 5th time, it won’t be near the waste of time that this is.
Actually the question of leaving the faith is very simple. You are allowed to leave Islam but as I said before you should be ready to deal with the consequences, which are manifold not limited to death.
this is retarded to say the least. The other organization that threatens its members with death and worse if the leave was called the mafia.
Seminole lets recap. My first post I say freedom of speech has limits. Your post you agree with me, seeing that you run with your tail between your legs. Good one.
Stircrasy, I now realize the your nick is not an illusion but in fact reality. If you had read anything about Islam and those who choose to leave it, the Quran does not state anywhere that one should be killed for leaving. And there are other consequences other than death.
People will simply see what they want to see, like Ummm and Seminole.
CM - may be it is a language issue. I was reacting to your statement that people leaving islam will face consequences "not limited to death" which normally means the threat of violent and painful punishment.
Combine that statement of yours with the "idolators will burn in hell" assertion made by Hareem1 (she says she has no flexibility on this since Quran says so)...
this is retarded to say the least. The other organization that threatens its members with death and worse if the leave was called the mafia.
CM has finally equated islam and mafia! bravo!
Great conclusive analysis :). Some of the responses which tried or did attempt to defend the practice of beheadings and stonings seem to prove intellectual belief of argument is not so far removed from the thinking of a religiously influenced jihadist warrior. The difference between defensive arguments and permissible aggression by an individual over another and that of advancing themselves into particpatory action is very slim. scary
CM - may be it is a language issue. I was reacting to your statement that people leaving islam will face consequences "not limited to death" which normally means the threat of violent and painful punishment.
Combine that statement of yours with the "idolators will burn in hell" assertion made by Hareem1 (she says she has no flexibility on this since Quran says so)...
what else am I to conclude?
First thing you could do is not equate 2 people's statements together. Secondly assumption is the mother of all **** ups. You shouldn't act like one. You assume that they are violent and painful due to your biased and judgmental view of Islam. I can not be responsible for your assumptions on a post due to your inferior knowledge on a matter or personal racist biases.
Uber something, where is the condemnation of the 23 other African countries that practice FGM? Cat got our racist tongue now?
^ that bubba, is what's called "disingenuous". you make a statement such as 'not limited to death'. then you hide behind smoke such as 'don't assume violence' and worse, start calling me a racist. just plain dumb.
I doubt if you will have any faculty to admit such mistakes, let alone amend your view of islam. if anything, you have just confirmed the view of islam as an intolerant and violent code. good job
^ that bubba, is what's called "disingenuous". you make a statement such as 'not limited to death'. then you hide behind smoke such as 'don't assume violence' and worse, start calling me a racist. just plain dumb.
I doubt if you will have any faculty to admit such mistakes, let alone amend your view of islam. if anything, you have just confirmed the view of islam as an intolerant and violent code. good job
What I find amazing is you are still making assumptions on matters your knowledge is limited. You assumed they were violent. I didn't say they were. Now you refuse to accept you made that assumption.You are simply repeating what you hold to be true without any proof.
Ignorance is frankly a choice in this world now. One you actively make it seems.
^ and I am telling you that unless you are from planet torquazircon that when somebody says 'not limited to death', in this planet it means pain worse than death.
fact is, if somebody decides to leave islam, it is their business. if anyone else tries kill them ot threaten them with anything else, such threats will land them in jail.
