UN backs gay rights for first time ever

[mukobhai]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

@kaka_in_usa

^^ Mukhobai stop playing allah and giving one line decrees. we dont care what you say, if you got an opinion than provide a link or reference or shup the hell up. stop trolling.

Read Quran sir Islam clearly says it is the biggest sin and its punishment is death in Islam this worse sin was first done by a nation of PROPHET LOT he warned them and asked them to marry girls and have sex with them so they started abusing him and said he wants to be a very pious man throw him out so he asked ALLAH to destroy that nation because he has tried his best but they are not ready to listen to him so ALLAH asked him to leave the place and he left and after that ALLAH sent 5 different AZABS on that nation and they were all destroyed and killed and ALLAH didn't even let their remains stand on earth so he just did some part of earth upside now its known as DEAD SEA near Jordan and Israel underneath this sea are the remains of that Nation

[javedmiandad]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

Of course if the Islamic State comes as a result of the democratic will of the people - whatever law parliament legislates would be enforced, I might not like some of those laws - so I'll vote for someone who can change them.

Incest - Parent/offspring - in my opinion would theoretically be fine - as long as a judge can determine for certain that the childs upbringing was not in such a way that predisposes them to say yes to such a union. So I guess the only case where I would actually ever be okay with this happening would be if a parent lost their child - met them after the child was 18 and then the two of them consented to their relationship - because only in such a case would you be able to ensure that the power that the parent commands over the child until they turn 18 is not abused, because otherwise that would be pedophilia and I don't think any sane person would support that - even in Europe - would love to see some links about the Europe story though.

As for bestiality. If there was a way in which the consent of the animal could be determined - and the animal was a free animal - then yes I wouldn't have a problem with bestiality either. Until that happens though - condoning bestiality because the guy/girl thinks they save love/lust in the animals eyes is not sufficient.

The highlighted part is incorrect - I said -

hence the rest of your post - which is quite an informative one - is misdirected - because you misread what I said. Currently Pakistan is in limbo - not secular because we have some laws based on Shariah, and not and Islamic State because all laws that can be based on Shariah are not.

See above.

I'm not sure what evidence of justice of minorities you gave - I also don't know what state today or in the past you consider an Islamic State because in the other thread you seem to imply that Mughal India was an Islamic State.

Are minorities in India safe? In the eyes of the state they're equal citizens, practically in the eyes of society? no.

I'd love to discuss more in the Secular Pakistan thread in Pakistan Affairs, this thread has already been derailed - once because of the morality/legality of homosexuality - and now this.

Red

again you completely misunderstand what islamic state is about you cannot change the laws because you feel like it or some other people feel like it doesn't work like that. Unless a situation has no evidence for it then ijtihad can be done to deduce new ruling for that matter.

Pakistan is secular you did not even refute of any of the examples i highlighted, this is where you had change to shred my accusation that pakistan is secular you did not meet the challenge on this at all.

You accept incest as ok!!! when mother or father have sexual relationship with their children aoozibillah, how on earth you accept such a disgusting relationship no wonder you perfectly fine with homosexuality you also fine with incest, and people having relationship with the animals.

i don't even take you seriously because you just dug your own grave with the ridiculous comments on incest etc topic has not been derailed at all it only exposed the disgusting ideas secularism and i am happy it came out in the open so peole can see for themselves what secularism offers!

[reduzijuice]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

Javed

Pakistan is not secular - See

article 2 of the Constitution: “Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan”

article 227. "Provisions relating to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.-(1) All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, in this Part referred to as the Injunctions of Islam, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions."

The Objectives Resolution - now a formal part of the constitution of the country - here are the first 5 points:

1. **Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone **but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.
2. The State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people.
3. The principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed.
4. Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings of Islam as set out in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
5. Adequate provision shall be made for the minorities to freely profess and practice their religions and develop their cultures.

So clearly Pakistan is not secular - it is also not completely an Islamic State - which is what I said earlier.

As for incest/bestiality. I said yes to incest - within the narrow scope that I defined (I don’t care if this is secular or Islamic - this is how I see it) which would make it next to impossible for it to actually happen in real life. I said no to bestiality - not because I think its a perverted act - but because the consent of the animal cannot be verified. Please read my posts before you claim something that I have said.

Like I said earlier - please feel free to post in the Secular Pakistan thread…

[javedmiandad]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

@reduzijuice

Javed

Pakistan is not secular - See

article 2 of the Constitution: “Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan”

article 227. "Provisions relating to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.-(1) All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, in this Part referred to as the Injunctions of Islam, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions."

The Objectives Resolution - now a formal part of the constitution of the country - here are the first 5 points:

1. **Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone **but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.
2. The State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people.
3. The principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed.
4. Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings of Islam as set out in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
5. Adequate provision shall be made for the minorities to freely profess and practice their religions and develop their cultures.

So clearly Pakistan is not secular - it is also not completely an Islamic State - which is what I said earlier.

As for incest/bestiality. I said yes to incest - within the narrow scope that I defined (I don’t care if this is secular or Islamic - this is how I see it) which would make it next to impossible for it to actually happen in real life. I said no to bestiality - not because I think its a perverted act - but because the consent of the animal cannot be verified. Please read my posts before you claim something that I have said.

Like I said earlier - please feel free to post in the Secular Pakistan thread…

Look i gave you opportunity to refute 3 simple examples

1. about riba why is it in pakistan if its islamic

2. example from judicial system where ministers are except from prosecution, also parliamentary assembly can pick and choose what laws to implement.

3. and one regarding security of the state

come on proove me wrong how many chances you want instead you regurgitated sections of the constitution which do not answer the question i posed, i show you contradictions you show me cut and paste constitution?

You protesting that incest if fine is making your argument for secularism exposed for what it is complete filth.

[mukobhai]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

@reduzijuice

Javed

Pakistan is not secular - See

article 2 of the Constitution: “Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan”

article 227. "Provisions relating to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.-(1) All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, in this Part referred to as the Injunctions of Islam, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions."

The Objectives Resolution - now a formal part of the constitution of the country - here are the first 5 points:

1. **Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone **but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.
2. The State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people.
3. The principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed.
4. Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings of Islam as set out in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
5. Adequate provision shall be made for the minorities to freely profess and practice their religions and develop their cultures.

So clearly Pakistan is not secular - it is also not completely an Islamic State - which is what I said earlier.

As for incest/bestiality. I said yes to incest - within the narrow scope that I defined (I don’t care if this is secular or Islamic - this is how I see it) which would make it next to impossible for it to actually happen in real life. I said no to bestiality - not because I think its a perverted act - but because the consent of the animal cannot be verified. Please read my posts before you claim something that I have said.

Like I said earlier - please feel free to post in the Secular Pakistan thread…

Pakistan is an Islamic State only by name Islamic Laws have not been implemented yet our economy is based on Interest our punishments are against Islam our Corruption is tolerated and all evils are promoted many of them by state

[reduzijuice]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

@javedmiandad

Look i gave you opportunity to refute 3 simple examples

1. about riba why is it in pakistan if its islamic

2. example from judicial system where ministers are except from prosecution, also parliamentary assembly can pick and choose what laws to implement.

3. and one regarding security of the state

come on proove me wrong how many chances you want instead you regurgitated sections of the constitution which do not answer the question i posed, i show you contradictions you show me cut and paste constitution?

You protesting that incest if fine is making your argument for secularism exposed for what it is complete filth.

Yaar,

Pakistan is not a total Islamic State, it is ALSO not a complete secular state, its a weird mash up of the two.

You can go over all of my posts - I don't think I ever said Pakistan is an Islamic State - stop misconstruing my posts.

[javedmiandad]

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@reduzijuice

Yaar,

Pakistan is not a total Islamic State, it is ALSO not a complete secular state, its a weird mash up of the two.

You can go over all of my posts - I don't think I ever said Pakistan is an Islamic State - stop misconstruing my posts.

Pakistan is totally secular there is no islam in the laws at all only as a personal belief is it recognised.

You was insinuating that pakistan needs more secularism as if 50 years + of secularism has not done enough damage!

As final point when i pressed you in regards to prooving pakistan is secular you didn't answer my points but when it other way round you happy to accuse people of not answering your questions.

i am not surprised when the reality of secularism is exposed for what it entails how can anyone try and defend it, especially to a majority muslim population.

[Med911]

Re: UN backs gay rights for first time ever

Pakistan is totally secular there is no islam in the laws at all only as a personal belief is it recognised.

You was insinuating that pakistan needs more secularism as if 50 years + of secularism has not done enough damage!

As final point when i pressed you in regards to prooving pakistan is secular you didn't answer my points but when it other way round you happy to accuse people of not answering your questions.

i am not surprised when the reality of secularism is exposed for what it entails how can anyone try and defend it, especially to a majority muslim population.

Your amazingly ignorant.

If Pakistan were secular, there wouldnt be a blasphemy law, Ahmadis wouldnt be Non Muslims, and there would be no refrence to Islam in the constitution. Also, we would live in peace.

And I seriously doubt you have any understanding of Secularism. If you did, you would dump you moronic Islamic governance nonsense in a second.

[Bigboi]

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Because homosexuals are born that way, and condemning them for expressing themselves as god made them is as unjustifiable as condemnong someone born with any sort of anomaly or difference, that they didnt choose for themselves. one would condemn you because your a hateful bigot.And you also make the dumb claim that its kufar. Stupid thing to say considering homosexuality is common in all groups, religions, ethnicity,and even among animals... You dont have to be a Non Muslim to be homosexual, u just have to be human.

you are not 'born' with that disease! Period. Headshot for Lady Gaga