‘Musharraf sold Pakistanis to Gitmo’
Friday, June 06, 2008 - 04:02 PM EST - 39 Reads
Section: Victims of ISI
London: In a startling revelation, a top UK legal official has said that in exchange of millions of dollars, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf had allowed a large number of his countrymen to be put into the Guantanamo Bay prison during the past six years.
The revelation assumes significance amid reports of a large number of Pakistanis going missing during the past few years. He revealed that those kept in the infamous prison, were treated inhumanely, and the worst torture methods like filling their lungs with water, were adopted to force them to admit their involvement in terror activities.
UK legal director Zachary Katznelson revealed that as many as 66% of the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay were picked up from Pakistan, after Musharraf’s nod.
Zachary was delivering a lecture on ‘Forgotten prisoners of Guantanamo Bay’, organised by Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) on Wednesday.
Zachary said that it was Musharraf who “sold” the innocent people of his country without proving any charge against them. “Not a single charge has been proved against these prisoners till now,” the News quoted him as saying. He said 20% of the prisoners were handed over by Afghanistan, while the rest 14% were handed over by other countries. “Not a single trial had been conducted since the opening of Guantanamo Bay in 2002,” he said.
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^ how do you know they were afghans and arabs? we all know plenty of Pakistanis were sold. I wonder where all the money that was obtained selling ppl abroad went.
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well most of the Pakistanis captured were from Afghanistan on "Jihad" duty and captured by northern alliance or US. Pak Govt did manage to free some of them from Gitmo. and sadly many started terror activities again when in Pakistan. some in lal masjid and some carried out suicide bombing.
Most of arrested in Pakistan were mostly al qaeda leadership and planners from different cities in Pakistan Karachi, Gujrat, Rawalpindi and Faisalabad and were not Pakistanis.
Hardly any pakistani is top ranked among al qaeda anyway.
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Shak Kills, watch this, and please tell me does that protesting woman, her son (ruthlessly beaten during this sham dictatorship and humiliated infront of his mother, and her daughter) look like Afghans?
It will be a sad day, if Musharraff and the other senior members of the army get away with actions like this. It sickens me that despite widespread knowledge about this, the PPP still sleeps well at night.
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^^^ I do not commend such acts, but missing people linked to terror and some innocents I dont think they are sold to US. they still be with agencies, thats how they have been operating, not right at all.
Police maltreatment of suspects is very common in Pakistan this cant be linked directly to a dictator being in power. again not such a thing to commend. this is deep rooted in Police training and culture of Pakistan sad but true still police rules are followed by present day Pakistan is based on Police Rules act in1834 by colonial powers which require Police to act as to control and govern not as service to community. This police act hasnt been touched ever since only the title, and whole working of the department is defined by it. So you can imagine what needs to be changed.
Police and Army or anyone in uniform should consider themselves as commuinty servant not ruler.
So it doesnt not who is in the power a dictator, a civil PM. this is how our Police work to get things done to please some one, or to obey orders.
Given that there are 7 Pakistanis at Guantanamo today (the number quoted at the end of this article http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/wl_nm/pakistan_guantanamo_dc_1 ) , down from the 58 several years ago who were seized in Afghanistan, it seems unlikely that innocent Pakistani citizens are being turned over. Indeed, Musharraf’s government successfully managed to get most Pakistanis freed from Guantanamo, rtaher than sending innocent ones there.
Certainly, unless your maths is bad enough to think that 7 out of 270 is 66% , you cannot even use Mr Katzenlson’s words to argue Musharraf is turning over large numbers of innocent Pakistanis.
Pakistan has been certainly been rounding up and selling large numbers of arabs and collecting bounties on them.
A couple of articles reflecting http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0203nj2.htm
The first thing that jumps out of the statistics is that a majority of the detainees in both groups are not Afghans – nor were they picked up in Afghanistan as U.S. troops fought the Taliban and Al Qaeda, nor were they picked up by American troops at all. Most are from Arab countries, and most were arrested in Pakistan by Pakistani authorities.
And from Human Rights Watch:
Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, recently told the National Journal that less than 10% of Guantanamo prisoners are high-value Al Qaeda operatives with any knowledge of terrorism. Of those turned over by Pakistan, he said: “We absolutely got the wrong people.”
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However, to say that “plenty” of pakistanis got sold" is inaccurate and downright wrong. A more accurate phrase would be “plenty of arabs got sold by pakistan”
Shak, just a few days weeks ago a, a report came out, a man in Pakistan was sold to Canada for $500,000. I believe he was a Pakistani Canadian.
That man, Abdullah Khadr, was a Canadian citizen, not Pakistani. The bounty was paid by the USA to Pakistan to arrest him and interrogate him. After that, Pakistan refused to extradite him to the USA and returned him to Canada.
The USA requested Canada extradite him, and that's the current case he's fighting.
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i think his point is that if they were Pakistanies they may have changed their nationality by the time they got to gitmo. maybe they reverted to being arabs. There is no real reason why demographics established earlier would be false.
its much more likely that director sahab didnt bother to distinguish between arabs on pakistani soil and pakistanies
That said, there are a lot more people missing than the 7 or 8 mentioned in one of the links. The US doesnt just have prisons in Gitmo.
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is it just me or this articles really gives this impression that this is coming from a GOVERNMENT "Legal official"?, and not from an official working for a registered charity.
Re: UK legal director Zachary Katznelson: 'Musharraf sold Pakistanis to Gitmo'
It's easy to pile on and slam Muishuy for everything. Let's not forget a few key facts:
there are a huge number of Pakistan citizens who worked for osama al qaeda undr whatver names
if anyone thinks Bush wouldn't have bombed Karachi Pindi and Peshawar if Mushy hadn't completely collaborated, is sadly mistaken
Pakistanis or Arabs in Afghanistan at that time were automatically suspect. Frankly most of them were either mercenaries, or taleban recruits and hand maiden. Many were sent there by their madrissa inspiration and others by Hamid Gul and likes
in spite of all stories abt gtmo they would have been worse of in Pak or Afghan prisons
but for a very small limited number of innocents whose only fault is wrong place wrong time, if the US paid for the rest, it's actually good riddance of scum and getting pd for it is bonus
Youi can fault Mushy for not leaving gracefUlly 18 months ago but rest of the charges dosnt hold at all
It's easy to pile on and slam Muishuy for everything. Let's not forget a few key facts:
there are a huge number of Pakistan citizens who worked for osama al qaeda undr whatver names
if anyone thinks Bush wouldn't have bombed Karachi Pindi and Peshawar if Mushy hadn't completely collaborated, is sadly mistaken
Pakistanis or Arabs in Afghanistan at that time were automatically suspect. Frankly most of them were either mercenaries, or taleban recruits and hand maiden. Many were sent there by their madrissa inspiration and others by Hamid Gul and likes
in spite of all stories abt gtmo they would have been worse of in Pak or Afghan prisons
but for a very small limited number of innocents whose only fault is wrong place wrong time, if the US paid for the rest, it's actually good riddance of scum and getting pd for it is bonus
Youi can fault Mushy for not leaving gracefUlly 18 months ago but rest of the charges dosnt hold at all
To all your "key facts": SO WHAT?
As if Pakistani cities never got bombed at all after the souls were sold to the devils.
As if Pakistan never experienced the wrath of Allah, in terms of natural disasters and in terms of financial and civil crisis.
As if Pakistan never became the laughing stock of the world, with its leaders being portrayed as dogs in international newspapers.
The enemy Pakistan faces today is much more dangerous than the entire West combined..and he is on a roll!
