UK govern. are giving parental classes in uk on how to raise a child with rude manners, and does violence on the streets
do you guys think this is a good idea?
does it really solve the problem of violent youth?
i was watching the news once and u wont believe this in India they have a "school" to teach women on how to be the perfect daughter-in-law!!!!and if u do really well u get a ring,
how weird is that!!
Koyes
errr where did you hear that?
im from london
i live in the UK, thats my local news
one question i would like to pose to you guys, how would you solve violent youths anywhere
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Koyes
errr where did you hear that?
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koyes, can you give us a link or clarify further?
Re: im from london
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one question i would like to pose to you guys, how would you solve violent youths anywhere
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Exile them to forced labour camps for 2-3 years to break their spirits, whilst making them contribute economically to the societies they were disrupting before.
This might not always be the case but I think violent youth often are the result of households with domestic problems. If they get proper care and emotional support from their households and families they will not turn violent; there are exceptions though. The family is the basic unit that makes up societies.
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But the issue is how do you, as government, solve the issue of violent youth? The government can't order people to start being happy families - and even through long-term education I doubt you can create happy families.
the truth is…
ISLAM is the only answer.
SHARIAH.
KHILAFAH.
opening up deeni madaris with proper islamic education…that will be a good start…the first revelation after all was…IQRA…READ..
khayr…hmm…i’ll think abt it more after i become prime minister of UK…abhee see damagh zaya kernay ka kya faida 
i belive if the govern pushes idea of freedom to the youths then kids will turn out like this, if we look in our history, underneath an islamic state, we have great people like imam shafi who at the age 12 became a sholar and at the age of 7 a hifz in quran
now you can see how diffrent society produces diffrent individuals
not only the parents but the whole western culture is to blame
totally agree with you, but now the debate is how does one go about setting up a state…
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i belive if the govern pushes idea of freedom to the youths then kids will turn out like this, if we look in our history, underneath an islamic state, we have great people like imam shafi who at the age 12 became a sholar and at the age of 7 a hifz in quran
now you can see how diffrent society produces diffrent individuals
not only the parents but the whole western culture is to blame
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That's not quite correct. Not all children were like that under the Islamic state. Imam Shafi was an exceptional person and he truly shone out amongst the youth of his day. But every child of the era was not like that. Even today, even Muslims communities living in the west produce some exceptionally talented children. I recall the case of one very young girl from South Africa who had memorised the entire Quran too.
I agree that western culture is responsible for the rapidly collapsing moral standards of today's youth all over the world, including in Muslim countries.
But if popular youth culture remains one of rebelling against social norms, what benefit will improved religious guidance bring if teenagers choose to ignore what their teachers say, because they feel it's "uncool" to be nice.
The best example that I can give is Iran. The Iranian state has very strong measures to prevent the influx of western culture, with western movies and music being banned for being unislamic.
The children in Iranian schools get vast amounts of religious education about Islam, and what is and isn't permitted in Islam.
And yet they ignore it all. Many many teenagers in Iran evade their families and the police to engage in illicit sexual activity, and drinking is very common amongst the youth despite the Islamic injuctions they are taught that forbid alcohol (I hear all this from a sunni iranian friend of mine).
Many of the youth in Iran are simply unwilling to follow Islam despite the Iranian government doing everything in its power to provide them with an Islamic education. Indeed, the youth go as far as to break the law, illegally drinking, illegally buying and watching western movies, illegally having illicit relations.
The state's efforts to stem the moral degeneration of youth in Iran through education about Islam is failing, because the youth do not want to follow Islam. The Iranian government was recently shocked by finding out that in fact, despite the religious education in which the salat is emphasised, about 75% of Iranian youths do not voluntarily do their daily prayers.
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koyes, can you give us a link or clarify further?
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yeah...give us a link
by following the the footsteps of the messenger (saw) when he establish the state in medna
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totally agree with you, but now the debate is how does one go about setting up a state.......
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muslims need to understand islam as a way of life not religion
an iran is not aislamic state
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That's not quite correct. Not all children were like that under the Islamic state. Imam Shafi was an exceptional person and he truly shone out amongst the youth of his day. But every child of the era was not like that. Even today, even Muslims communities living in the west produce some exceptionally talented children. I recall the case of one very young girl from South Africa who had memorised the entire Quran too.
I agree that western culture is responsible for the rapidly collapsing moral standards of today's youth all over the world, including in Muslim countries.
But if popular youth culture remains one of rebelling against social norms, what benefit will improved religious guidance bring if teenagers choose to ignore what their teachers say, because they feel it's "uncool" to be nice.
The best example that I can give is Iran. The Iranian state has very strong measures to prevent the influx of western culture, with western movies and music being banned for being unislamic.
The children in Iranian schools get vast amounts of religious education about Islam, and what is and isn't permitted in Islam.
And yet they ignore it all. Many many teenagers in Iran evade their families and the police to engage in illicit sexual activity, and drinking is very common amongst the youth despite the Islamic injuctions they are taught that forbid alcohol (I hear all this from a sunni iranian friend of mine).
Many of the youth in Iran are simply unwilling to follow Islam despite the Iranian government doing everything in its power to provide them with an Islamic education. Indeed, the youth go as far as to break the law, illegally drinking, illegally buying and watching western movies, illegally having illicit relations.
The state's efforts to stem the moral degeneration of youth in Iran through education about Islam is failing, because the youth do not want to follow Islam. The Iranian government was recently shocked by finding out that in fact, despite the religious education in which the salat is emphasised, about 75% of Iranian youths do not voluntarily do their daily prayers.
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Depends on which fiqh you follow.
But my argument isn't based on whether or not Iran is an Islamic state. My point is that they have an education system designed to teach to youth Islam as a way of life, but the youth are still not acting upon that instruction.
I am still waiting for some actual link or source rather than word of mouth regarding this "teaching" thats supposedly going on ;)
to define an islamic state
4 principles needs to exist
1) soverienty is to Allah, all rules and regulation must be from islam
2)authority is to the ummah. the ummah has the right to choose their leader
3)there should be one leader for the muslims, not 52+ leaders
4)and the the leader has the right to enforce laws as lomg as it from quran and sunnah, his post cannot be shared with others.
when they get taught islam,
they see as an idea, a story, philosophy, a set of do's and dont's,
for this idea to be understood with clarity then an islamic society needs to exist so they can apreciate it, because this idea has become practical
in an islamic society you will not have access to western movies, alcohol, the state should encourage to get the brothers and sisters to get married soon as they reach their maturity.
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Depends on which fiqh you follow.
But my argument isn't based on whether or not Iran is an Islamic state. My point is that they have an education system designed to teach to youth Islam as a way of life, but the youth are still not acting upon that instruction.
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