U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

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Guys, wo what's the conclusion of the whole episode..
following things are clear.
1. pakistan comes under pressure from america to help them destroy taliban. there was no first hand initiative from pakistan to destroy terrorists. Given the chance pakistan would have continue backing terror regime of taliban in afghanistan.
2. Taliban lost the trust in pakistan. Don't get surprise if tomarrow al-quada or taliban start bombing pakistani cities. in fact, it is already in the pipeline citing the situation on balochistan.
3. pakistani hard obtained nukes are of no use in front of america. they just don't have political will to use it.
4. pakistan can not look up america as a loyal partner. america is evil country which only look for its benefits and not for the principle.
5. pakistan should look up to INDIA as a friend and try to resolve the kashmir issue by dialogue and not by training the terrorists. with India backing pakistan, it will become inpossible for america to spread its evil influence in south asia.

correct me if i am wrong

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I see the sarcasm.

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

Going by past experience, its probably easier for India to trust US than trust Pak. Thats not to say that things cannot change going forward. The Manmohan-Mush agreement may be the start of something positive.

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Interesting.....

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You r absolutely right but some people don't understand this and I dont think so they ever try to understand coz Jealousy is a symptom that someone is feeling insecure. Until Pakistan stop running after Kashmir *they will get nothing coz Pakistan is already facing enough problems and what do u people of Pakistan think honestly???... India will give up Kashmir to Pakistan in future???, the answer will always be the same *"NEVER" coz I think one hand India has engaged Pakistan with Kashmir issue and on the other hand progessing as fastest economy in world. Pakistan can't compete and get the kind of respect like India get around the world until Pakistan work together with India but the main problem is "Jealousy". Pakistan should understand the Power of unity with India for better life and future of her people & country.

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Yes this was also brought into fore in Bob Woodward's book about Busht...that the administration, particularly Powell and the State department crowed were surprised that Mushie relented right off the bat and didn't try to drive a bargain or engage in some brinkmanship....

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This is a "National Security" concern. Must be discussed under Pakistan Affairs.

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Relax guys !!
First of all, this is all publicity stunt...
Mr. Musharaf is saying all this to generate interest in his autobiography releasing soon.

Coming to the threat, I think Musharaf did the right thing. I have no doubt that US could have attacked anyone at that time, if it was perceived to be with the Talibans; though not with nuclear weapons. But even conventional weapons would have severely destroyed Pakistan's infrastructure, economy, and way of life. People who are giving Lebanon or Hizbollah's example are missing a key point - motive. USA doesn't have too much motive in getting rid of Lebanon or Hizbollah. But at that time, US was highly motivated to destroy those who attacked it and anyone not helping them in that mission would have been considered a threat.

And all this for what?

For showing sympathy for the people who were not even Pakistani citizens. A government's primary job is to ensure safety of its people and resources and Musharaf did exactly that.

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Well, Pakistan does have the 2nd highest growth rate in the world. Pakistan doesn’t have several freedom movements in the country, unlike India. Pakistan does not mass-murder people of other religions while at the same time boasting about being a democracy.

Same answer from Pakistan.

The same can be said about India. Pakistan has engaged in India with the Kashmir issue, and on the other hand has the 2nd fastest growing economy (China being the 1st, with the double digits).

You mean this kind of respect:

Some respect India gets from the world!

Jealousy of what? HIV? or the over population? maybe its the caste-system that Pakistan is jealous about.

No thank you!
I don’t want to see innocent Muslims Pakistanis get murdered by hindoos, the way the Muslims in Gujrat did.

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Ayaz Amirs comments are probably the most astute:

The ordeal of Mullah Zaeef

By Ayaz Amir

WE know, to our lasting shame, how our overlords, dazzled by American power, and afraid of God knows what, handed over the ex-Taliban ambassador, Mullah Abdus Salam Zaeef, to the Americans in January 2002 — in violation of every last comma of international law.

But until now we have not been privy to the details: how exactly did the handing-over take place? Now to satisfy our curiosity, and perhaps outrage our feelings, comes Mullah Zaeef’s own account, published in Pashto and parts of which have been translated into Urdu by the Express newspaper.

To say that the account is eye-opening would be an understatement. It is harrowing and mind-blowing. Can anyone bend so low as our government did? And can behaviour be as wretched as that displayed by American military personnel into whose custody Zaeef was given?

On the morning of January 2, 2002, three officials of a secret agency arrived at Zaeef’s house in Islamabad with this message: “Your Excellency, you are no more excellency.” One of them said, no one can resist American power, or words to that effect. “America wants to question you. We are going to hand you over to the Americans so that their purpose is served and Pakistan is saved from a big danger.”

Zaeef could have been forgiven for feeling stunned. From the “guardians of Islam” this was the last thing that he expected, that for the sake of a few “coins” (his words) he would be delivered as a “gift” to the Americans.

Under heavy escort he was taken to Peshawar, kept there for a few days and then pushed into his nightmare. Blindfolded and handcuffed, he was driven to a place where a helicopter was waiting, its engines running. Someone said, “Khuda hafiz” (God preserve you).

There were some people speaking in English. “Suddenly I was pounced upon and flung on the ground, kicked and pummelled from all sides. So sudden was the attack that I was dumbfounded… My blindfold slipping, I saw a line of Pakistani soldiers to one side and some vehicles including one with a flag…My clothes were stripped from my body and I was naked but ‘my former friends’ kept watching the spectacle. The locks on their lips I can never forget… The (Pakistani) officers present there could at least have said he is our guest, in our presence don’t treat him like this. Even in my grave I will not be able to forget that scene.”

Zaeef suffered unspeakable tortures at the hands of his American captors. He was kept in Bagram, then taken to Kandahar and from there flown eventually to Guantanamo. He was released from Guantanomo and flown to Kabul in September 2005, charged with nothing, nothing having been proven against him. He remained in American captivity for close to four years.

I have read accounts of KGB prisons but to the best of my knowledge the KGB, while no collection of innocents, did not keep prisoners in metal containers and metal cages. This seems to be a method perfected by our American friends.

In the Second World War the German army confined itself to fighting, leaving the dirty work of prisoner detention, abuse and torture to the Gestapo and SS. But in Afghanistan and Iraq it is the American military involved in the most despicable acts of torture. Abu Ghraib was an American military facility as is the prison system in Guantanomo Bay. In Basra soldiers of the British army have been involved in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

These are the standard-bearers of human rights and freedom from whom we are supposed to take lessons in democracy. Why does the Bush administration and its acolytes in Britain so loath President Ahmedinejad of Iran and President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela? Because they look America in the eye and are not afraid of speaking the truth.

It is hard to fault Hugo Chavez when before the UN General Assembly he calls Bush a devil and the Bush administration the greatest threat to world peace. From the shores of the Mediterranean to the Hindukush mountains on our western border this entire region is in strife, all because of the evil — there is no other word for it — flowing from the US. The ‘evil empire’ is very much here and its capital is Washington.

The Nazis dabbled in lies as a matter of policy. They said — Goebbels being the prime exemplar — that the bigger the lie and the more it was repeated, the more it would be taken as the truth. But the Nazis did not prevaricate. They were bold enough to call their lies lies. The Yanks and the Brits are less honest. They want us to applaud their lies as the truth.

The US covered itself in a garb of hurt innocence when the Sep 11, 2001, attacks took place. But using those attacks as a pretext, it has done so much harm around the world, especially in the Middle East and our region, that its hands are covered in blood.

We can only thank our stars that American aggression has not gone unchecked. If Iraq had been a cakewalk, if the US had not met its second Vietnam in the killing fields of Iraq, there is no telling what the Bush war administration would have done, what further conquests it would have embarked upon. Redrawing the map of the Middle East would not have remained a mere slogan. It might actually have happened.

Complementing Iraq is the developing situation in Afghanistan where the anti-American resistance is gaining strength and growing stronger by the day. In Lebanon Israeli designs have received a severe check. Iran is defiant and standing up to pressure. In Latin America Chavez looks set to don the mantle of Castro.

What a dramatic change has been wrought in a mere five years. The US was unassailable at the beginning of this period. But thanks principally to the Iraq fiasco, it looks less invincible now. Its material power has not diminished but its moral worth stands degraded. It remains a colossus but with feet of clay.

This is not the end of history. This looks very much like the beginning of a new history. The free-market model American-style is not the crowning achievement of human existence.

Indeed, if we are at all interested in sustainable development, we’ll have to think of something better and less destructive than unbridled capitalism. And something less arrogant than the new imperialism to which our region is being exposed.

Spare a thought for our military rulers who take such pride in supping with the devil. Indeed, closeness to the Bush administration is the ultimate yardstick by which they like to judge themselves. Whatever the mess in domestic affairs, it means nothing if their equation with Washington remains strong.

Did the Pakistani officers present at the scene of Zaeef’s humiliation feel nothing when the Americans were laying into him? Did the thought not cross their minds that more than Zaeef’s humiliation it was their humiliation?

And who was the senior officer, with a flag on his jeep? My course-mate Ehsan — 41st PMA — was then heading ISI, the organization in overall command of such sensitive matters. Maybe he throws some light on this incident if he sits down to write his memoirs.

There is no shortage of sages who, in relation to Pakistan’s post-Sep 11 capitulation before the US, still ask: what would you have done? They miss the point altogether. From cravenness and appeasement no good can come, none whatsoever. And a country which proves itself to be craven in one sphere can do nothing right or bold in any other sphere.

If toadyism is to be our second nature, we will be swayed this way and that by every shifting wind. Our national endeavours will lack conviction and purpose and democracy and the rule of law will remain distant dreams. We will have to master our fears and our perennial tendency to vacillation before we can hope to master anything else.

Re: U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf

Mullah Who?

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Pakistan and India, if worked cooperatively, could make the south asia region very powerfull. both pakistan and india are listed as emerging markets (File:Developed and Emerging markets.png - Wikipedia)

meaning both countries are developing at a high rate. If all this BS could be resolved, the south asia region could be very powerfull.
and pakistan should focus on better things then bickering with india, as of now, afghanistan is more of a headache for pakistan then india

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true the evul empire has taken to much for granted. we can't just give away our swabhiman like that.
but first of all, we have to unite. let those american *******s know , it won't be second time white man can rule here.

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If you have this kind of respect for your muslim brothers then y do you people are killing your own muslim brothers in Afghanistan Warizistan Baluchistan ???

One thing i can surely tell you, reputation of Pakistan will always be the same around the global what it has now coz mentality & thinking of most of Pakistani muslims are same like your thinking. Well what can we do in this Cheetah you people deserve this coz of your negative retired mentality attitude towards others.


Jealousy of Indiaz reputation around the globe what Pakistan cant achieve.

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Couple of things:

  1. In an interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN, Bush said that he'd send troops in Pakistan if targets of interest were there.

  2. Mush could very well be averting a possible future military action (any scale) by going public with the earlier threat. This statement has definitely put the Bush people on the defensive about their great ally Pakistan. War is not going well for Bush and it's unpopularity grows by the day. With mid term elections around the corner, Bush could make a spectacular news splash by something/anything of value in Pakistan. It'd be a very astute political move to thwart any military action in its soil w/out consent by going public ...

Let's see what happens next.

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Most religions, including Islam, would agree to penalize criminals (terrorists) regardless of them being brothers.

What I said in my previous post is all facts. If you have a problem with facts, and like to live in a delusional world of fantasies and lies, then that is your own problem.

The kind of reputation India gets from around the world is related to factors such as these:
- Over 250million living under poverty; largest home of the poors
- Largest AIDS infested population; over 5million
- Democracy with a caste-system
- Genocide of other religions' peoples
- Several domestic freedom movements
- Supporters of terrorists in Sri Lanka
- One of the top 10 aid recipients of the world bank.

If you are talking about this image... then u r right my friend - Pakistan cannot achieve this kind of global image.

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Its same both in pakistan and india, both are countries are develpoing fast, but its the upper and middle class who are getting rich and benefiting from the economic booms, the poor are reamining poor or getting more poor.

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The text was taken from Mush's memoir - and the question was brought up by Steve Krof of 60 Minutes.

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I am really surprised by this revealation. If such threats are given to India, then every Indian’s blood will boil and befitting reply would be launched. How come Pakistanis tolerated such threatening language? It is better to go to stone age but not to bow at all. It is better to die heroically rather than to bow to a person or a nation who threatens. If Pakistanis take pride in their sovereighinity then they must cut off all relationships with U.S.

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Musharraf didn't rescue you. Musharraf is now revealing how coward he was, that he tolerated such a language or a threat? A person or a nation with a self pride will not tolerate this kind of threat.