ive seen these ads...and trust me they suck. people in indonesia are smarter than america thinks,
Channmai
speak for yourself and busharraff I don't want to live there so everybody is not like that.
Try posting something intresting there is a joke forum but then again your not even funny either so don't bother
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
if all the muslim countries adopts the secular constituion like
west they would not in such position as they are now.
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what you mean like 2 examples i can think of india and turkey yeah they are in great situation turkey is 60 billion in debt inslaved to the imf and india well go ask the muslim of gujerat how great secular india is!
ak 47 just because of gujarat tragedy indians cant loose faith
in secularism . it is the goal . many ectremist on both sides want to
prove they cant live toghether but silent majority want to live toghether.
pakistan may not need secularism since it 97% muslim .
turkey and india the situation is different turkey want to join
secular eu.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
ak 47 just because of gujarat tragedy indians cant loose faith
in secularism . it is the goal . many ectremist on both sides want to
prove they cant live toghether but silent majority want to live toghether.
pakistan may not need secularism since it 97% muslim .
turkey and india the situation is different turkey want to join
secular eu.
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Secularism is rubbish and will destroy india. Turkey wants to join secular EU. The secular element within turkey want to join EU not the majority of the muslims within turkey even thought they(turkish governemnt) get slapped in the face by EU every week.
and back to topic in hand secularism has made turkey into a worse situation then ever.
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*Originally posted by Hasnain: *
Justice?
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have you lived in Pakistan? have you lived in Saudi Arabia? Ud justice system may not be perfect and it hasd tons of issues but it still is better then what goes on there.
Have you lost friends or family members to ghundas of MQm and nothing is done? have your family members been kidnapped for ransom and the people responsible for it walking aroud free becuase they are one of the ministers goons? have you had your property taken over by renters with ghunda connections and police case sitting in courts for decades before it gets resolved? how about your property been taken over by political goons and conditions being set on how much it will cost you to get it back.
How about having your uncle assassinated in broad daylight and nothing ever done about it? How about your commercial orchards ebing burnt down because you did nto pay bhata to some vadera.
yes my friend justice.. I see more justice here then I have seen in Pakistan, then i saw, experienced and learnt about in Saudi Arabia.
Oh and btw the above are not fictional accounts they are actual events that happened to my family.
yes my friend...justice.
Have you had the FBI raid your house and arrest you and your family for being muslim welcome to america 
No, have you had some one do a drive by shooting at your masjid in pakistan?
Oh I am sorry, that is a paradise, 100% way of what a muslim country should be like.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
Secularism is rubbish and will destroy india.
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so you agree that they should go ahead and make it a RSS's Hindu nation instead of going secular?
It may be ok for Pakistan to not be secular..only 3% non-muslims left which will be consumed in another 20 years...but most other countries in the world who have mixed populations of different colors, religions and ethnicities can't be anything else but secular to make it work for them. Secularism is the only thing that will work there.
The fact that I, Rvikz, farudz and many others are living in the non-muslim, non-hindu or non-sikh countries..relatively safer than our own homelands, have the right to work, own, vote, practice our religion as much or as little we want, is a proof that secularism works.
The fact that secularism works aches your dark heart to no extent.