errr apologist?
People have been speaking out, lets give them some airtime.
More from Reuters.
DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda militants said they beheaded a U.S. engineer they had held hostage in Saudi Arabia since last week ** and displayed his severed head in pictures posted on an Islamist Web site Friday. **
Al Qaeda had said the Saudi government had until Friday to free jailed militants or it would kill Paul Marshall Johnson.
“As we promised the mujahideen we have beheaded the American hostage Paul Marshall after the deadline that the mujahideen gave to the tyrannical Saudi government passed,” a statement signed by the Organization of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula said on al Islah Web site.
** The Web site showed pictures of what appeared to be Johnson’s severed head resting on his body. **
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although we din really get much more info about that whole deal. I had been gone for sometime so dinn follow up. did any more info come forward on that.
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Follow up on what? The conspiracy that the U.S. did it based on a white chair and orange jumpsuit?
dunno, thats why I am asking
Apologists?
Not you Fraudz. The morons who discounted the OTHER beheadings, now notably absent....
Ina lillah wa ina ilayhy rajeoN
yeah yeah.. anyone who doesn't tow the administration's line is an "apologist" or a "jihadi".. people just can't disagree or suspect who actually runs "Al-Qayda" and these websites or who has most to gain by these actions..
The "Breaking News" on Al-Jazzeera is that "American hostage in Saudi Arabia has been Killed"
Not beheaded.
Not Brutally Murdered.
Killed, as if he forgot to wear his seatbelt.....
Ho hum...
yes and GWB misinterpreted, misreported, exaggerated, misunderstood, overestimated, yada yada yada.. but didn't LIE to the people... see parallels in how media with a mission distorts the truth on both sides?
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The "Breaking News" on Al-Jazzeera is that "American hostage in Saudi Arabia has been **Killed*"
Not beheaded.
Not Brutally Murdered.
Killed, as if he forgot to wear his seatbelt.....
Ho hum...
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Well OG. You've just got to understand that on the scale of ** BAD, ** Al Jazzeera probably toes the line of Saudi clerics: i.e. beheading innocent folks ranks right up there with polytheism.
What's more they are all Jews anyway, so it's OK...
Whatever has happened is unacceptable and disgusting. However, before condmening Al jazeerah and other Arab media look at your own media and your leader. Innocent men, women and children killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are nothing more than "Collateral" damage. Where was your condemnation of your media and your leaders. Were you people protesting the butchering of innocent people under the title of "shock and awe". It cuts both way, so stop taking the high moral ground. Your leaders and media have equally low standard.
The photos are Incredibly vile, god willing the family never sees them.
PA, this thread has nothing to do with Bush why are you bringing him up. While the world you live is one where Muslims couldn't be capable of such acts and thus it must be the Jews and the Americans is comfortable to you, it is a false one. Do not let these animals define your faith.
utd no one is more hell bent on making these people "define my faith" than those who insist on categorizing them only by their proclaimed religious affiliation.
Of ALL these 'Muslim groups'.. NONE and i reiterate NONE of them is known to the general muslim populace. they are fly by night operations which just pop up out of nowhere claiming to 'represent' Muslims .. no one in the Muslim world has ever heard about them or their agenda, let alone support them. They are insignificant.. like local mobs
It's the western media and intelligent folks like yourself who insist on seeing them as a representative of the general muslim populace.. maybe you just WANT to see Muslims like that and these idiots give you a convenient excuse to support the bigoted view of all Muslims.
^ Very well said, PA. I could not have put it any more clearly.
very sad. my heart goes out to the victim family.
Where did all of this start, and who funded it, and who perpetuated it? The beginnings of religious based terror were in Saudi. They were then exported to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
There is one thing I don’t understand. PA insists that Muslim terrorists are not representative of the general Muslim populice. Yet many would insist that they weep with the Palestinians. You claim now to be disconnected with things you wish to deny, yet your “Brothers” call for an ummah to further unite the Muslim world.
Sounds like there is some convenient deniability when it hurts, but instant Brotherhood when it suits your purposes.
Lets start with how this intollerance and hate starts:
Surely the most chilling aspect of the latest terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia against foreigners at the Khobar oil center was in reports from the scene about how the Saudi militants tried to kill or capture only the non-Muslims, and let Muslims and Arabs go. The Associated Press quoted a Lebanese woman, Orora Naoufal, who was taken hostage in her apartment, as saying that the gunmen released her when they learned of her nationality. They told her they were interested in harming only “infidels” and Westerners.
Now where would the terrorists have learned such intolerance and discrimination? Answer: in the Saudi public school system and religious curriculum.
That is the only conclusion one can draw, not only from listening to what the terrorists said, but, more important, from listening to what some courageous Saudi liberals — and yes, there are many progressive Saudis who want their country to become more open and tolerant — are saying in their own press.
The Saudi English-language daily, Arab News, recently published a series by the liberal Saudi writer Raid Qusti about the need to re-evaluate Saudi education. Mr. Qusti quotes the editor of Al Riyadh newspaper as saying the people carrying out this latest rash of attacks inside Saudi Arabia have the same ideology as the Saudi extremists who seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca in 1979. They had an ideology of accusing all others as being “infidels,” thereby giving themselves a license to kill them.
“If we as a nation decline to look at the root causes, as we have for the past two decades, it will only be a matter of time before another group of people with the same ideology springs up,” noted Mr. Qusti. “Have we helped create these monsters? Our education system, which does not stress tolerance of other faiths — let alone tolerance of followers of other Islamic schools of thought — is one thing that needs to be re-evaluated from top to bottom. Saudi culture itself and the fact the majority of us do not accept other lifestyles and impose our own on other people is another. And the fact that from the fourth to the 12th grade, we do not teach our children that there are other civilizations in the world and that we are part of the global community, and only stress the Islamic empires over and over, is also worth re-evaluating. And last but certainly not least, the religious climate in the country must change.” (Memri translation.)
Over the last year or so, Hamza Qablan al-Mozainy, an Arabic professor at King Saud University, published two articles in the Saudi daily Al Watan about “the culture of death in our schools” and the role that Saudi teachers are playing in promoting discussions on how bodies are prepared for burial and how the kind of life a person has led — righteous or decadent — can be read from the condition of the person’s dead body. This effort to use death to get young people to abstain from the attractions of life, he said, only ends up making some Saudi youth easy targets for extremists trying to recruit young people for “jihad” operations. “Does the Education Ministry really know about the activities taking place in its schools?” Mr. al-Mozainy asked
im sorry but WTF is "Fallouja Squadron" ? where do they get they get these special opsy names?
Another innocent :(
I'll have to disagree with UTD that this has nothing to do with Bush. It should have.
This latest incident was a single man held hostage. Bush, as part of his image of bravado, holds up the line that we do not negotiate with terrorists. There are practical reasons not to do so, ever, but he has already violated that policy too many times for it to still be considered effective under his leadership. Bush approved a negotiated failure in Falluja, he's done the same with al-Sadr. Depending on who you believe, the US had a role in convincing the Sauds to let the last batch of hostage takers go free. Etc.
This one man's life could have been saved through negotiation. That's not a certainty, but it was a possibility worth exploring. This one man, this one instance would not change the dynamic between us and would-be terrorists if it were negotiated upon. That dynamic is already void. There is no principle to uphold any longer. So why could we not have tried to save Paul Johnson?