U.S. Groups Protest Iraq War Plans

Opposition to Bush on Iraq is gaining momentum in the US.

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By TYPHANNY TUCKER, Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Chanting “no more war,” an estimated 5,000 people rallied in the city’s downtown Saturday against possible U.S. military attacks on Iraq, one of a number of such protests planned across the nation this weekend.

**In Texas, the chant by hundreds who flocked to the state capitol was “No more blood for oil.” **In Manchester, N.H., about 50 demonstrators protested outside as President Bush ( news - web sites) stumped for Senate candidate John Sununu.

Bush did not mention the protests, but reiterated his stance that the United States must disarm Iraq to protect American lives. All the rallies were apparently peaceful. Organizers — their effort centered on a Web site called “Not in Our Name” — hoped to spark protests in at least two dozen cities Saturday and Sunday.

**In Portland, first-time protesters joined veteran pacifists for the march. They chanted, banged on drums and clapped their hands. “My co-workers were talking to me about this and it is something I believe in,” said Cris Jackson, an office manager who has never attended a rally before. “Maybe it will spread awareness that not all of America is behind Bush.” She waved her hand over the crowd: “They aren’t, and I’m not either.” In Texas, protesters carried signs saying “Free the Press” and “Stop the Bombs.” Austin police reported no arrests. ** …

Now it seems even the American people are getting sick of Bush’s illogical war-mongering. Also it is becoming clear that he won’t get many votes for beating the war drums as well.

Poll: Bush Should Wait on Iraq

A solid majority of Americans believe President Bush ( news - web sites) should give U.N. weapons inspectors time to act and should wait for support from allies before invading Iraq, a new poll says. The CBS-New York Times poll out Sunday also found a large and growing number of people want Bush to get congressional approval before going to war, with many saying Congress has not asked enough questions about Bush’s policy toward Iraq.

The poll comes as Bush prepares to address questions about potential war in a prime time speech Monday evening. Congress is preparing to vote on authorizing force in Iraq later this week, and Bush hopes to persuade Americans — as well as skeptical world leaders — that now is the time to confront Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites).

The poll suggests Americans want him to move slowly.

**By a 2-to-1 margin, they said they would prefer to see U.N. weapons inspectors have more time to do their work before military action is taken.

A majority, 56 percent, said that one country should not be able to attack another country unless it is attacked first. When people were asked the same question specifically about the United States, they were evenly split.**

Two-thirds said they approve of military action to remove Saddam Hussein as leader of Iraq, but a large majority — 70 percent — want the Bush administration to get approval from Congress. Sixty-five percent think it would be better to wait for allies before acting against Iraq.

And 51 percent think that Congress is not asking enough questions about Iraq policy, while one in five said it is asking too many. Last month, 44 percent said Congress was not asking enough questions. The poll of 668 adults was taken Thursday through Saturday and has an error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Among the poll’s other findings:

_Despite concerns about the possible war, seven in 10 would prefer to hear political candidates talk about the economy over war with Iraq.

_More than one-third think the economy will get worse if the United States attacks Iraq, and half think military action against Iraq would increase the risk of terrorist attacks.

_Six in 10 said a war with Iraq is likely to lead to a wider war involving other countries in the Middle East.

_More than half, 57 percent, said they would base their vote for a candidate on economic policy before foreign policy.

_Four in 10, 41 percent, said they approve of President Bush’s handling of the economy, while 46 percent disapproved. His overall job approval was at 63 percent.

_More than half said they consider the economy fairly bad, 42 percent, or very bad, 14 percent. Almost two-thirds said Bush should be spending more time on the economy, while a third said he’s spending as much time as he can.

Tens of thousands of Americans protest Bush plans to attack Iraq

http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=229569&lang=e&dir=news 07-10-2002, 08:49

Tens of thousands of people, led by some top Hollywood stars, demonstrated on the streets of the United States’ largest cities to protest President George W. Bush’s US intention to invade Iraq.

**In New York on Sunday, at least 15,000 people gathered in Central Park to denounce Washington’s stance towards Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Protesters in such cities as New York, San Franciso and Los Angeles chanted slogans and held up placards bearing slogans such as “Change the US administration, not Iraq’s.” **

In downtown San Francisco, about 5,000 people protested in the city’s Union Square area, according to the local police department. “This was a fairly significant demonstration, but it was entirely peaceful and no arrests were made,” Paul Yep, a spokesman with the San Francisco Police Department told AFP.

**In Los Angeles, some 3,000 people participated in protests held near the campus of the University of California at Los Angeles. Police said that demonstration was the largest so far against Washington’s Iraq policy, but reported no violence or arrests. **

More protests took place in other US cities and some were planned for Monday in such places as Chicago, Seattle, Washington, Portland in the state of Oregon, Houston, Atlanta in the southern state of Georgia and Denver in Colorado.

Meanwhile, British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has been privately warned by his top law officers that a war to bring about regime change in Iraq would be illegal. **The Financial Times reported that Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith and Solicitor-General Harriet Harman have given clear advice that military action with the aim of removing Saddam Hussein would breach the UN charter. **

The advice to Blair was that international law permitted military action in support of existing UN Security Council resolutions requiring Saddam to give up his weapons of mass destruction, reported the FT. (Albawaba.com)

Call me a pessimist, but I don't think such protests will impact any changes in whatever foreign and military policies are being pursued by the Bush Administration vis a vis Iraq.

A slightly better course of action would have been to start early and contact the congressmen before the thing got to a vote in the House and the Senate. It seems its all too late for that.

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A slightly better course of action would have been to start early and contact the congressmen before the thing got to a vote in the House and the Senate. It seems its all too late for that.
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And that should help?

Sometimes. These congressmen care about their re-election. If they fear that enough people are not in favor of a certain policy, they would publicly withdraw support.

From LA Times, this is what DHP’s post mentioned. The rally was held near Federal Building in Westwood , home to UCLA.
PT did u see or attend this rally :D?

**Up in Arms on Plans for War **

March: Westwood rally, one of numerous protests held across the country, draws thousands opposed to a U.S. attack against Iraq.

By LEE ROMNEY and DANIEL HERNANDEZ, TIMES STAFF WRITERS

Thousands of protesters opposed to a war in Iraq converged on the Federal Building in Westwood on Sunday as part of a coordinated national effort that stretched from New York City’s Central Park to San Francisco’s Union Square and spots in at least a dozen other cities.

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Lt. Pat Jordan estimated the crowd at about 3,000, but a California Highway Patrol officer overseeing the peaceful rally and march put the number at “well above” the group’s permit–for 3,500.

The rallies, pulled together by an umbrella group called the Not in Our Name project, were timed to coincide with the eve of the one-year anniversary of the start of bombing in Afghanistan

Polls have generally shown support for the Bush administration’s actions since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and for a war on Iraq with allied and United Nations support.

Central Park’s event, where actor Martin Sheen spoke, drew thousands; San Francisco’s also drew thousands; and a Chicago demonstration attracted more than 1,000. On Saturday, a companion rally in Portland, Ore., drew an estimated 5,000.

Gathering on the broad lawn of the Federal Building and stretching along Wilshire Boulevard, protesters toted signs that included “Don’t Invade Iraq” and “No, It’s Not Iraq. It’s the Economy. We’re not Stupid.” Protesters said they hoped to send a strong message to Congress and fellow Americans that opposition to a war is alive, and that expressing it is a form of patriotism.

The crowd was packed with the regulars of progressive rallies: tattooed students pounding drums, Green Party activists promoting their candidates and the more radical Revolutionary Communist Progressive Labor Party distributing newspapers.

But the rally also drew first-time demonstrators who said that they were deeply concerned about the implications of a war and felt that their voice has not been heard. President Bush is expected to make his case for a war on Iraq, which he says has developed weapons of mass destruction, in a televised speech tonight.

In his weekend radio address, Bush urged Congress to give him authority to move swiftly against Saddam Hussein. Later, while stumping in Manchester, N.H., for Senate candidate John Sununu, Bush didn’t mention the 50 anti-war demonstrators outside or the gatherings around the country. But he reiterated his stance that the United States must disarm Iraq to protect American lives.

“This has been long overdue, for people to come together and voice their opinion,” said Michael Collins, 35, a health insurance administrator from Westwood who attended the rally with his daughters, Chris, 9, and Cami, 6. “If we go into Iraq, it’s going to give other countries a reason to side against us… Why not stand up now and say something?”

Not in Our Name was born out of a meeting in March in New York. Since then, nearly 20,000 artists, intellectuals and musicians have signed a “statement of conscience” against the Bush administration’s resolve to wage war on Iraq, “a country which has no connection to the horror of Sept. 11.” The statement also decries the Patriot Act, which gave the government greater latitude to curtail civil liberties in the name of the war on terror.

The lengthy list of signatories on the statement, which was published in full-page advertisements in the New York Times and Los Angeles Times, include actor Edward Asner; writers Barbara Kingsolver, Eve Ensler, Tony Kushner and Alice Walker; musician Steve Earle; performance artist Laurie Anderson; and language theorist Noam Chomsky.

At the events across the country Sunday, demonstrators recited a “Pledge of Resistance” against war, roundups of immigrants and infringements of civil liberties.

Collins, who is not affiliated with any activist organization, saw the ad Friday, visited the group’s Web site and learned of the rally. He then photocopied 200 copies of the event announcement and distributed them to strangers in Westwood.

“I’m really terrified that democracy is going to suffer,” he said as he cradled his youngest daughter. “I’m doing it for the kids.”

Echoed Rae Wilken, 76, of Canoga Park: “When you have grandchildren you realize how precious life really is, and it becomes unimaginable that we would throw bombs at people.”

Sabrina Judge, who attended the rally with her husband and parents, said that in the mix of “fringe” fliers, she was handed a list of every member of Congress, along with their phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

“This is something I can go home and use,” she said.

A recent Washington Post-ABC poll showed that three in five Americans favored using force to get rid of Hussein. But 47% opposed such a move without the support of U.S. allies (46% approved it), and 52% of those polled said they feared Bush would move too quickly to challenge Hussein. Other polls have reflected greater dissent.

Many Democratic members of Congress have said that calls, letters and e-mails from constituents have overwhelmingly opposed a war. For example, an aide for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has said that the senator has received about 15,000 phone calls and 3,500 letters on the Iraq issue, with the overwhelming majority against a unilateral, preemptive U.S. strike.

Organizers drew on a network of labor, religious, student and other activist organizations. Among the speakers was Ron Kovic, the wheelchair-bound Vietnam veteran who wrote the book “Born on the Fourth of July” and has become an outspoken peace activist.

“We are sick and tired of being told we’re unpatriotic,” Kovic said to cheers, seated on a stage beneath an inflated globe wrapped in a yellow “Not In Our Name” banner that resembled crime-scene tape. “Let it sink in, President Bush: We care so much about this country that we know democracy is being threatened and we are not going to let it happen.”

Steve Boise, 43, wore a hard hat emblazoned with the U.S. flag and the name of his union local to let people know that “blue-collar America is talking about this at work.”

Boise, a pipe fitter at the Shell Oil refinery in Wilmington, said he and his co-workers have spent hours discussing a potential war in Iraq and have decided “it’s all about controlling oil in the Caspian Sea… This just doesn’t make any sense to us.”

The rally was his first, but Boise said he attended because “it feels like our views aren’t being expressed… I don’t understand the doublespeak,” he said. "Patriotic now means, ‘Sit down and shut up.’ "

Thousands march in Seattle to protest bellicose Iraq policy

http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20021007/northwest/15708.shtml

Monday, October 7, 2002 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE – U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, recently back from Baghdad, told about 5,000-plus peace activists at a rally Sunday that President Bush is out for blood in Iraq and it will take their efforts to stop him.
**“We can let the president know he does not get a free ride on this,” McDermott, D-Wash., told the crowd at a downtown rally as the activists cheered and waved signs that read “No Iraq War.” **

During his five-day trip to Iraq, which ended last Tuesday, McDermott suggested the president might mislead the American people about the need for war, something the White House swiftly denied. Bush has said Iraq must be disarmed to ensure the world’s security. Conservatives criticized McDermott for his comments, dubbing him “Jihad Jim” and accusing him of sympathizing with Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

When he returned to Washington, D.C., McDermott qualified his remarks, saying that he had perhaps “overstated” his case. But the congressman showed no such contrition Sunday: “I meant what I said,” he insisted in an interview with The Associated Press. **“We have a president who says … 'I can do whatever I want in the world,”’ McDermott said. “He must go through the United Nations. He must exhaust diplomatic means. He’s trying to provoke the Iraqis. He wants a war.” **

As for the nicknames bestowed on him, McDermott said, “It’s like in second grade. When you call names it’s because you can’t think of anything intelligent to say.” **Sunday’s rally was organized by a group called “Not in Our Name,” and took place in conjunction with rallies around the country over the weekend. Thousands protested Sunday in Los Angeles and San Francisco, and about 5,000 protesters gathered in Portland on Saturday. **

**“This war would be a huge mistake,” Seattle math teacher Jerry Gallaher, 49, said Saturday. “We’d end up killing lots of innocent people. The diplomatic solutions haven’t been explored, and we don’t have international support for this.” ** Across the street, a handful of pro-Bush protesters called McDermott a traitor.

*U.S. Groups Protest Iraq War Plans *

United States is a free country. People are allow to express their views/expressions without any fear and getting busted.

Is it possible in any other country of the world?

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**U.S. Groups Protest Iraq War Plans *

United States is a free country. People are allow to express their views/expressions without any fear and getting busted.

Is it possible in any other country of the world?
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Try UK, France, Germany, Italy etc.
While you at it read the British press: Guardian, Independent etc and compare that to US papers like NY Times, Washington Post etc. You will see a stark difference in opinion.

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**U.S. Groups Protest Iraq War Plans *

United States is a free country. People are allow to express their views/expressions without any fear and getting busted.

Is it possible in any other country of the world?
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Free country, where talks about human rights violations by the US in Afghanistan or talk about who the US deserved the attacks would get you beaten up. Freedom where neo nazis and the KKK can kill and discriminate at will. Freedom where racists have tv shows and can insult religions and prophets. If that is the freedom you talk about. Keep it. I rather have a morally righteous govt with less freedom, than one where Porn stars are the norm of society.

Anti-War Protestors Jam Downtown

http://www.wroctv.com/news/story.asp?id=6475&r=l

(WROC-TV) 10/8/2002 8:00 AM

Shortly before President George W. Bush’s Monday night Cincinatti speech, in which he made his case to the nation for an Iraqi invasion, local anti-way demonstrators called for peace.

A crowd estimated at 2,000 protested outside Rochester’s federal building, carrying placards and candles to get their point across that America should not invade Iraq.

**One protestor said “contrary to what Bush says, lots of people in the U.S. and around the world are against this war.” Another stated that administration officials “haven’t shown any connection between Iraq and terrorism. This is really about oil, about politics.” **

It is interesting to see some American people see through the deception of war. The US is gradually losing its plan to bolster support for a phoney war that nobody wants.

Americans rally against Iraq war 28 October 2002

WASHINGTON: Tens of thousands of anti-war protesters have marched peacefully on the White House to express opposition to a possible US attack on Iraq, some chanting slogans accusing President George W Bush of planning genocide.

Thousands more people took part in anti-war demonstrations in San Francisco, Berlin, Amsterdam and other cities. “This is going to be an ugly, unnecessary fight. **Most of the world is saying ‘no’ to it,” civil rights leader the Rev Jesse Jackson told the crowd at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. “Pre-emptive, one-bullet diplomacy, we cannot resort to that.” **

In Washington, actress Susan Sarandon, who supports numerous liberal causes, accused Bush of having “hijacked our losses and our fears.” Sarandon said terrorism could not be fought with violence and that most Americans did not want a conflict. “Let us resist this war,” Sarandon told the cheering crowd. “Let us hate war in all its forms, whether the weapon used is a missile or an airplane.”

Demonstrators of all ages, many religions and many nationalities gathered at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial before marching behind Jackson to the White House. Bush, however, was in Mexico for a summit of Pacific Rim leaders.

The protesters brandished signs reading: “No Proof, No War,” “Bush Sucks” and “Pre-emptive Impeachment”. Some protesters carried Iraqi flags. “No war, no way,” shouted a protester wearing a mask of Bush with horns and a pitchfork. “George Bush, you can’t hide. We charge you with genocide!” chanted the demonstrators, who were escorted by mounted US Park Police and watched by 600 police officers along the route in the heart of the nation’s capital.

Bush has made “regime change” in Iraq – ousting President Saddam Hussein – a policy of his administration. Bush has said that if the United Nations fails to compel Iraq to give up any weapons of mass destruction – chemical, biological or nuclear arms – it possesses, the United States would do so by force if necessary. Congress has given Bush the authorisation he sought to carry out a possible attack.

Police did not give an official estimate of the size of the crowd in Washington. Tony Murphy, an organiser of the event, said 150,000 people participated. Other observers put the figure between 40,000 and 50,000.

42,000 PROTEST IN SAN FRANCISCO

In San Francisco, known for its liberal politics and history of activism, a crowd that police estimated at about 42,000 marched near the city’s historic Ferry Building to its Civic Centre. A group of about 20 children led the parade as protesters carried signs bearing pictures of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld beneath the words “weapons of mass destruction.” Other signs read: “No blood for oil” and “Regime change begins at home. Vote on November 5,” referring to the US congressional elections.

In Germany, demonstrations were staged in about 70 towns and cities. The largest was in Berlin, where almost 10,000 people marched. In Amsterdam, some 4000 people rallied in heavy rain to protest against US policy.

**In Washington, protesters called on Bush to spend the tens of billions of dollars that a war against Iraq could cost on social programs in the United States. They also argued that sanctions imposed on Iraq after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and the 1991 Gulf War should be lifted, blaming them for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. **

About 500 Iraqi exiles came to Washington to show support for efforts to remove Saddam from power. Tamir Musa, an Iraqi who has lived in Michigan for 10 years, said, “The war is good if it goes to kill Saddam Hussein. He has a lot of bombs. He’s terrorist number one.” “If violence fixed the problem, then Israel should be at peace,” countered Rick Blumhorst of Kansas, a US Gulf War veteran wearing his Army dress uniform. “Acting unilaterally, we’re going to inflame the Muslim community.”

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Good to see so many Americans protesting against Bush's lne war mongering. Let's see more American's on the streets in protest.

Zinn addresses crowd of 25,000, including scores from Harvard

Rally at Common Protests War in Iraq](http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1104-02.htm)

Just days before pivotal midterm elections, about 25,000 protesters huddled around Parkman Bandstand at Boston Common yesterday afternoon to voice their opposition to military action against Iraq.
Thousands of people march down Dartmouth Street in Boston, Sunday, Nov. 3, 2002, participating in a protest against a possible war with Iraq. Organized by United for Justice with Peace, a local anti-war coalition, the event was large enough to close down adjacent Tremont Street.

**Enduring frigid conditions, supporters heard from Green Party gubernatorial candidate Jill E. Stein ’73, Boston University Professor Howard Zinn and actor Tim Robbins, as the smell of burning sage permeated the park’s frozen fields and folk songs echoed off the facades of neighboring buildings. “War breeds terrorism, war is terrorism,” Zinn said, addressing the crowd. “We need a regime change right here.” **

Robbins said he was awed by the sheer number of people. He said that it took years to assemble a crowd that size in the ’60s. Many of the protestors hoisted signs, while some flew kites and others played bongo drums and tambourines. **Local political folk singer Pamela Means played several songs while preaching to her fellow protesters. “Go out and vote your conscience,” Means said. “We have no reason to be afraid.” **

About 50 Harvard undergraduates attended the rally with the Harvard Initiative for Peace and Justice (HIPJ), a campus group formed in the wake of Sept. 11.“The proliferation of rallies over the past few weeks have to be sending a message to the Bush administration,” said HIPJ member Jessica E. Gould ’04.

**Many other unaffiliated Harvard students were also in attendance. “It’s unbelievable just to see this many people mobilized,” said Chanda R.S. Prescod-Weinstein ’03, who came to the event with a friend from MIT. “I feel really heartened.” **

Joining the considerable student turnout, local protestors brought their families. Children could be seen holding hand-made signs, and veterans likened the potential war in Iraq to Vietnam.

“It’s shameful to drop bombs on people who need food and medicine,” said Zinn, who is known for his book, A People’s History of the United States. “You can’t bomb a country into democracy.” Boston Police and Park Rangers maintained a strong presence on horses and in squad cars.

US Religious Leaders Urge Bush to Drop Iraq War Plans](VOA - Voice of America English News) VOA News 04 Jan 2003

Thirteen U.S. religious leaders left Baghdad Friday, after a four-day visit and a plea to President Bush to drop war plans against Iraq. The head of the National Council of Churches, Bob Edgar, characterized the delegation as religious rather than political, and told reporters his group came as humanitarian inspectors rather than weapons inspectors.

**Earlier this week, the clergyman and former U.S. congressman said his group sees preemptive war as immoral and illegal. He said a U.S.-led war against the Baghdad government will result in suffering and widespread Iraqi civilian deaths.

Mr. Edgar said his group plans to meet with Bush administration officials when members return home. He said he believes the entire Middle East region, as well as the United States, will be at greater risk of terrorism if there is war with Iraq.**

“I can tell you that my eyes have been opened by what I have seen here in Iraq in the short time I have been here, said Robin Hoecker of the Unitarian Universalist Association. He said he was amazed by the life and happiness” of some people but saddened by the tragedy and death and human suffering."

Church Group Says War with Iraq Can Be Averted](http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=1985123) Reuters 02 Jan 03

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Reuters) - A group of American Christian leaders and experts visiting Iraq said Thursday there was still a chance of averting war but expressed concern about food shortages among Iraqis.

“In the United States, we see often pictures of the leadership of Iraq and the government of Iraq in very negative terms. We rarely see the picture that we saw of children and women and those that will be most severely impacted if (a) war began,” Bob Edgar, secretary-general of the National Council of Churches (U.S.A), told a news conference in Baghdad.

“The food rations, for example, do not provide an adequate diet and we discovered that the failure of nutrition is a terrible and painful aspect of life here in Iraq,” said Edgar, traveling with 12 other American religious leaders and experts.

Iraq has been under U.N. sanctions since its short-lived occupation of Kuwait in 1990 and 1991. Since December 1996, the United Nations has allowed Baghdad to sell oil to buy food, medicine and other humanitarian supplies for its people.

The group said in a statement it traveled to Iraq as “humanitarian inspectors” and visited hospitals and schools to get first-hand information on the effects of 12 years of U.N. sanctions. The group also met Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz, who is a Christian, during its five-day visit.

It does not really matter what these groups think or do. The President has decided that there will be a war and i am frankly happy to see the end to Saddam Hussien. He has aided in the death of his own people, he attacked a fellow muslim state. He is responsible for using chemical weapons on muslims both in his home country and in others. He deserves to die.

Its very sad when we see people thinking the way you do.. supporting someones death is gross.. :nook:

Its not just about what US groups think, more importantly its about what the world community thinks.. at the moment they see a Bush Administration using mass propoganda and every trick up its sleeve in order to try and justify its doctrine of attacking Iraq.