Two threads removed from Religion & Scripture !

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Two threads about Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and Finality of prophethood are removed from Rel. & Scr,

Can someone explain why ?

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Re: Two threads removed from Religion & Scripture !

First course of action should be to contact the moderator(s) of the sub-forum. It is often the quickest approach to get the answers.

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Brother RealityCheck, welcome to Gupshup. As you seem to be new to this forum, let me repeat for you what has been said earlier. As mentioned in the Quran, when truth comes falsehood itself perishes. Let us follow the sunnah of the prophet (saw) who used to focus only on preaching good, not on criticizing non-Muslims or pointing out at munafiqeen. Islam has spread through good manners and practical examples. No where in the history do we find a person who accepted Islam only because he was criticized. If we consider anyone to be non-Muslim, let us become a practical example for them, and leave the decision of truth part to themselves.

Google might help a lot in learning views of related people. Such topics have a potential of going in the wrong direction, when a lot of people pass on disrespectful comments by believing in the rumors that suit them, without getting information from authentic sources. Let us focus on matters that would help us in this short life and in the infinite life of hereafter.

The following might help in understanding views from both sides. Also these threads would help us in understanding why all of them were ultimately closed and why such debates should not be a priority for a Muslim of present age, specially when the ummah is going through its worst time ever in the history.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/260752-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-qadiani-islam.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/295753-ahmadi-thread.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/286627-100-years-ahmadi-religion.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/255539-mirza-gaqs-followers-avoiding-these-question.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/256780-lets-talk-ahmadiyyat-detail.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/243575-fall-ahmadiyya-community.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/252108-ahmadiyyo-se-sawal.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/191560-qadyani-concept-all-information-sunni-muslims.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/106026-ahmadiyyat-islam.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/70456-why-ahmadis-arent-muslim.html

The above mentioned topics were not specifically picked. They all are the topics that have been made in the Religion forum in the recent past by different members of this forum. They include views by members of this forum in favor of and against this topic. The intention of mentioning them was to convey that such discussions have no end and some people even stoop to the level of personal attacks. Also such topics have not helped much in developing understanding among the opponents but has caused increase of hatred in their hearts.

My intentions of locking such threads were to prevent mockery of any belief system, that is why most of the Shia-Sunni threads have also been locked. There are many sites from which we can get information about any particular belief system from authentic sources. Religion forum of Gupshup is not meant for increasing hatred among different groups of people through fights that also causes a bad feeling in the heart of readers.

Unfortunately very few people like to discuss common beliefs but a lot of them like to criticize others, which have not helped much in creating a friendly atmosphere in Religion forum. Thus such threads are locked before they move in the wrong direction, because we (mods) don’t want to hurt the feelings of the readers (of any sect) who come here for learning, enjoying and having a good time.

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Brother Submission To Peace, first off, I like to know your credentials. What qualifies you to be a judge about my beliefs except for your MOD status. Who are you to be a judge and a jury at the same time and announce the verdict over a cup of tea in your free time ? Are you an Islamic Scholar ? where did you get your training ? Which school did you go to, to become an Islamic scholar ?. Was it a diploma or a degree course? I need to know the above before I can agree (not that it matters to you) with your justification for locking the threads.

I may be new to this forum but trust me I am not new to Islam and unless you are a trained Islamic scholar, I don’t think I need some Google Molvi to teach me my DEEN.

That is exactly what I intended to do. Besides in Quran, Prophet Mohammad (SAW, PBUH) himself has mentioned many time about finality of prophethood.

I haven’t learned my deen from google and do not trust the knowledge of Google Molvis. I know this forum has way too many google molvis but the problem is you never know who is sitting behind those websites publishing God knows what…

I partially agree with you here. First of all I never started those threads about Mirza Ghulam, secondly, My posts were not rumors, My posts included solid references and I never disrespected Mirza Ghulam.

Forum member Numb created these threads some time ago to promote Ahmadiyat, I wonder why you were not able to sense the problem at that time but as soon as I defended my beliefs and the beliefs of 1.6 billion Muslims and showed him the truth with solid references, you came to rescue him and he was saved by the bell, and then all of a sudden these threads became a ticking bomb for you that you felt your utmost duty was to lock these threads…

Let me ask you a simple question. Are you an Ahmadi or you believe in Prophet Mohammad’s (SAW, PBUH) finality in prophethood?

If you are an Ahmadi, I don’t expect a straight answer from you but if you are not, you should unlock these threads immediately and next time if you have an urge to demo your MOD’s muscles, first try to demo a little common courtesy and manners to at least discuss your dictatorship with the participants before implementing your unjust policies.

Yeh…Regards

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Re: Two threads removed from Religion & Scripture !

You are right about me. Neither am I a scholar nor do I qualify to judge anyone. From your posts I feel that you are a lot better Muslim than me. BUT (inshaAllah) my intentions of removing those threads were sincere, by the grace and mercy of Allah (swt). My being ahmedi or non ahmedi doesn't influence my decisions as a Mod (inshaAllah) so it is irrelevant for anyone to know about my beliefs.

I didn't close those threads in the beginning because as usual I wished it would go in the right direction. I wished people of this ummah develop understanding and achieve unity through common beliefs. BUT I was wrong again (as usual) because we (people like me) love to criticize and trying to prove others wrong. If we have so much of wish to correct people we dont agree to, how many times have we cried at night infront of Allah for guidence of such people. It is easier to provoke and hurt others but difficult to shed sincere tears and pray for their guidence.

Being "NOT a good muslim" myself, I have no right to mention anyone's mistake, but sincerely share feelings from heart. Kindly forgive your sinful brother if anyone feels offended by my comments as It is not to point at anyone in particular.

1. In history, due to such debates, no one accepted the opponent's views or coverted from one belief system to another. So, no use

2. Allah is watching us, He would want us to share common good knowledge instead of finding each others flaws, because the Prophet (saw) and Suhabas (r.a) themselves never argued even with the "KUFFARS" but only politely started with common views based on truth with "only" sincerity for Allahs likeness, NOT for proving the opponents wrong. If kaffirs disagreed, they quietly left & focused on people who were willing to sincerely learn.

Allah's concern from us is IF we performed our "Basic" duties of namaz, roza, parents obedience.....etc and spread love, teachings of Allah and the Prophet (Saw) instead of arguing among eachothers. I feel from heart that those who missed their basic duties in Islam & were involved in such discussions would be embarrased infront of Allah, Prophet (saw) & the Suhabas (ra) on Qayamat.

So, Let us prepare for what we would be asked in our final exams and would be held responsible for, than wasting time on "Judgements" which is ONLY Allah's RIGHT !!

I might be wrong in alot of places. May Allah forgive me if I said anything against Allah's liking, as I shared what I sincerely felt and honestly understood.

May Allah bless us all with the wisdom and strength to understand and follow the truth and maintain peace and love among all muslims.

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RC, if someone is Ahmedi, you will not be able to change his/her POV. if someone is not Ahmedi and believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad :saw2:'s prophethood, he/she does not need your debates. This is pretty much what STP said, I am just using different words.

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Re: Two threads removed from Religion & Scripture !

RealityCheck.. There really is no point arguing with you because you're just in your own little world and very limited to your own knowledge. Whatever is being presented in front of you, you'll always try to find flaws in it and come up with something that you think you could attack Ahmadis with.

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No one needs anyone’s debates just like I didn’t need yours in this issue but as usual, you had to spread your wisdom anyways… (What’s the name of that keera again?)

What are these forums for if not for debate and discussion anyways ?

I didn’t open those threads, promoting Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Ahmadiyat, Numb did.

Your words of wisdom and fearless leadership should be directed towards him, where they are needed, I certainly don’t need them.

I have a right to defend my beliefs and especially when they are being trashed by someone.

And I will do the same if someone opens the similar thread again.

Yeah…

Regards

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I know that's gonna hurt but the reality is ......Yeh a little world of 1.6 BILLION Muslims where you are declared non-Muslim.

You are more than welcome to challenge those flaws with knowledge and if you don't have knowledge, I urge you to bring your MURRABI and see if his seven years training in RABWA is paid off or JAMAAT just wasted money on him...(later is guaranteed)

Some of my good friends are Ahmadis but we never talk about religion, that should tell you how I know more about Ahmadiyat than an avg. Ahmadis like yourself and Numb who needed MODs help for their rescue.

I never attack my Ahmadi friends, they have never seen this side of me because the never attack my beliefs.

Now you will get this thread locked too...LOL

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your concern has been noted, thanks for expressing it

threads are not coming back ...

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what is 1.6billion.. if they were double the amount.. they have no authority to declare anyone non-muslim. They absolutely have no right to call whoever call themselves muslims as non-muslims.

There is no point bringing Murabbi in here. Problem with you is that you revolve around whatever has been feed into your little brain by mullahs. oh, and since u say u have more knowledge about Ahmadi Muslims than an average Ahmadi.. i'd ask you to make a correction in your knowledge that Murabbis are not only trained in Rabwah.. They're trained where ever in the world jamaat is big enough to train them. Countries include UK,Canada, US, India just to name a few.

I have no problem discussing the issue we were discussing in religion forum...me asking mod to close the thread is baseless accuse. I never asked any mod to close those thread.

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