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Showbaaz Sharif doing Jalsas and yesterday PMLN had claimed that they will cancel today's rallies lol
Re: Two things IK could have done better!
WHAT LIES BEHIND NAWAZ-IMRAN RIVALRY
Since Imran Khan’s PTI is a new comer, we have tried to analyze switching behaviour in its favour. This is indicated by Arrow Signs in the data Tables (see Gallup Report # 3). You may find them of analytical interest in your research work. Our analysis of the vote in Punjab, which is by far the largest and the critical electoral territory, shows that Imran Khan’s vote bank is a combination of three streams. The first stream comprises of New Voters (those who did not vote in the last election, 2008, for reasons of apathy or because they were under-age); the second stream is Switchers from PPP; and the third stream is Switchers from PML-N/Q.
Among the currently ‘Intending to Vote for Imran Khan’, the distribution is: New Voters (29%); PPP Switchers (42%); PML-N/Q Switchers (24%); all others (5%). In our analysis the PTI’s potential vote on the polling day could also come from a fourth stream, which comprises voters who currently regard him as their Second Choice. This is a large group, nearly twice as large as his currently Intending Voters.
If Imran Khan is able to convert ‘Second Choicers’ to ‘First Choicers’, he may succeed in creating the ‘wave of success’ or as he describes it the ‘tsunami’ of his victory. The Second Choicers are mostly in the current vote bank (intending voters) of PML-N. Consequently it is understandable that the election campaign is focused on PML-N efforts to guard their vote bank and Imran Khan’s efforts to lure away his ‘Second Choicers’ out of PML-N…
Re: Two things IK could have done better!
One thing that Imran is trying to make people understand is to rise above constituency based politics hence his speeches were not directed towards constituencies. However he did talk about local problems (such as difficulties faced by farmers in rural areas). He wants local governments to take responsibilities of the local problems. This is how things should work.
He did not make tall claims of making roads or giving loans or taxies. (Really is this how Sharif's think we will change this country?). IK's vision is to increase education rate rather than construction rate, to change this rotten & corrupt system and make this nation a welfare state. Thats what reflects in his speeches. Not laptops, solar lamps or sasti roti.
As for Mian bros bashing, yes he went overboard there but oratory is not his best forte like ever. Specially in urdu. So I will cut him a slack there.
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Let's be fair.. the biggest issue which matters to the people of Punjab during this election is load shedding. Unlike other provinces.. Punjab has much better security and crime situation. The provincial government in Punjab has performed in every big and small area on local issues. In our area all the grave yards got their boundary walls, all the filthy areas reserved for parks were turned in to beautiful parks, a large women college in Walton area is complete, a technical college is complete, the government hospital got a huge expansion.. and more or less the corruption was also under control on lower level. When someone was trying to fleece people through corruption... SS government promptly took action. Things were actually functioning well on provincial level.
In these circumstances most of the media-public complaints were against the federal government. IK failed to criticize specifically the NICL scam, haj scandal, PIA scam, Railway corruption, Steel mill losses, load shedding in Punjab.. and all his attack was pointed towards Punjab government which was actually performing quite well.. Many big and small cities were getting their infra structure made.. garbage collection system was introduced in every big and small city in Punjab. In Lahore they bought new road washing machines and most of the main road in Lahore are actually washed every night.
IK left Zardari bashing entirely to Shahbaz Sharif who took the initiative.. and is expected to win most of the seats in Punjab. Most of the PMLN candidates were working in the constituencies day and night.. while PTI team was not even in place. They took too much time to structure their candidates.
The internal elections were totally a useless exercise. You can see what sort of people are generally elected to party port folios. I predicted before the election that it seems the elections are taking place between all the property dealers in Punjab. Generally when you see Mansha Sindhu type of candidates getting PTI tickets.. the quality of PMLN candidates is generally much better..
IK may be very sincere and I mostly support him despite all his mistakes because he has the capacity to make this nation rise above baradaris, ethnicities, religion, and regionalism.. for me these are much needed things for our country in the present situation.
yazdi: I agree with most of your posts but not in loadshedding thing. I know for a fact that Punjab Govt could have started some projects but because of time constraints (he was given estimates of projects finishing after elections), he resorted to protests at minar e pakistan. Now this is NOWHERE good or unselfish governance.
Re: Two things IK could have done better!
** 1.** *Overdid NS bashing *(and I agree with Yazdi). He could have toned down some of his language as well. IK should have also criticised the performance of the PPP Federal Government and that of CMs of Sindh, Balochistan and KP. He may have done that in some of his jalsas but the overwhelming impression is that PML-N was his main target (which is also understandable since PML-N is his main rival in Punjab). I am not a big fan of the Sharifs but let's be fair here. The only CM who was active and visible during the last 5 years or was seen to be doing something for the people was Shahbaz Sharif. The rest were all invisible and useless to say the least
2. Solution-oriented promises (this is not necessarily a criticism of IK)
Here I believe IK's team could have done their homework better (by exploring specific needs of each constituency) and his speeches could have focussed more on local needs and services. Ofcourse you can't promise a Rose Garden to everyone since Pakistan doesn't have the kind of money that western democracies have. It is about making realistic promises
For instance if doing a jalsa in Sargodha and a medical college is their biggest need, PTI could have made that specific promise to the locals Likewise if visiting Jacobabad and a good network of local roads or schools is their most pressing need, then you could mention that in your speech
To me constituency-based manifesto is a much better way of persuading local voters than simply saying 'I will end corruption or I will always speak the truth etc.'
as always, GA is spot on...
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I agree they showed nice gesture but dont forget this same maryam nawaz has been tweeting against Imran and saying he only lives on Chanda every now and then and thats where PTI supporters bash her
waleed koi sharma karo....always badmouthing your opponents...learn to appreciate what is right with no ifs and buts ....it will help you in your career.
Re: Two things IK could have done better!
waleed koi sharma karo....always badmouthing your opponents...learn to appreciate what is right with no ifs and buts ....it will help you in your career.
Kisnay bad mouth kiya hai ?
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as always, GA is spot on...
Thanks PD..
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Thanks to previous governments building roads,bridges, hospitals,schools,colleges and univs r now election pormises. kind of ahsan on tax payers.
If system is fixed there is no need of such promises. Phir yeh cheezain ahsan nahen rahtee elected members ki duty baan jatien hai.
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People who are saying that Imran over did Nawaz Sharif bashing need to study Imran as a sportsman because at the end of the day he's public conduct is still a demonstration of the mannerism of a champion sportsman than a self concious politican. I know it sounds superficial in political discussion but he has used his captaincy skills to the maximum in this campaign. He knows that art of putting psychological pressure on his opponant to the point that he mentally prepares for defeat if hasn't already accepted it. I mean the famous incident of wearing the corned tiger t-shirt on the final of 1992, he wore knowing all too well that he'd asked a question about it. Now what the corned tiger analogy did to to the pysche of Pakistan team and people and what impression it made on the England team needs no explanation
Similary, in this elections the slogans of clean sweep, 'two wickets from one ball', 'I know how to break partnerships', we'll win the grand match on 11th. reference to corrupt umpiring etc etc....all helped put psychological pressure on the Noon league to the extent that their leadership visibly started appearing confused and demoralised, they just didn't know how to handle him.
We can talk about political mannerism all we want but no one knows how to psychologically defeat your opponent better than Imran.
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Yeh lo jee perh lo Maryanm ka tweet
@MaryamNSharif](https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif)**: Those who know they have lost the battle are counting on sympathy and mourning ads ! Pity!"
Ab khush?**
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great discussion folks!
this is something that he definitely needs to read.
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ok ok …i am not a PMLN supporter…i was just happy to see nawaz sharif’s positive gesture but you were calling him hypocrite and whatnot
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O' come on it is just wee bit sledging :)
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ok ok ....i am not a PMLN supporter...i was just happy to see nawaz sharif's positive gesture but you were calling him hypocrite and whatnot
Show me the post where I wrote he is a hypocrite
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yazdi: I agree with most of your posts but not in loadshedding thing. I know for a fact that Punjab Govt could have started some projects but because of time constraints (he was given estimates of projects finishing after elections), he resorted to protests at minar e pakistan. Now this is NOWHERE good or unselfish governance.
No.. they couldn't..!!!!
It's a slogan which can very easily be raised in a jalsa but answer needs some understanding of the issue. It can not be answered in a jalsa.
Power generated by anyone including provincial government has to be sold to federal government. They fix the buying tariff, payment terms.. and only federal government decides the power distribution once it's sold to them. Therefore only federal governments's sovereign guarantees are acceptable to the financiers.
The national grid belongs to federal government.. it has nothing to do with 18th amendments. Gencos are entirely regulated by federal government and can not sell electricity to anyone except Pepco which comes under the federal government. Federal government has been doing indiscriminate load shedding in Punjab.. the matter was several time raised in CCI (Council of Common Interest).. and surety was given to Punjab at least ten times by no less than the Prime Minister of the country that Punjab will not be discriminated from National grid. However these decisions were never implemented. Punjab discos (distribution companies) had the least theft and line losses.. yet Punjab was subject to indiscriminate load shedding which created a huge job loss by the closure of industries (specially small industries).
Actually what Punjab was saying is not that you increase load shedding in other provinces to bring them at par with Punjab. They were saying to put more electricity on national grid to bring down load shedding by diverting gas from captive and other sectors to IPPs. Captive plants are very low in the priority list of the stated policy of the federal government.. while IPPs are highest on the list. This prioritization was not being followed. The captive sector in three provinces continued to get gas while there was no gas for IPPs to generate electricity for national grid.
Do you think that it is fair that around 4,000 large industrial units are provided gas to generate electricity for Rs. 5 per unit.. while a tailor or a work shop owner or a small loom factory is subjected to 18 hour load shedding and are asked to generate electricity for Rs. 35/ per unit through diesel operated generating sets. Why can't they generate 5 rupee electricity for national grid and supply everyone for 10 rupees irrespective of the size of the consumer. This will bring down the Pepco loss also which has reached 590 billion rupees per annum and is a major factor in the huge federal deficit.. increasing inflation, causing devaluation, increasing interest rates.. etc. etc.
P.S. Punjab could generate electricity.. was nothing more than a political slogan. Even PTI guys know that..
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Both sides (PML-N and PTI) have played with this issue in order to criticize either PML or PPP. You are right in saying that the Punjab govt had its hands tied, and relied on the fed govt for sovereign guarantees. But the bottom line is, why did Punjab need sovereign guarantees after the NFC award? They burned money on projects like metro and laptops, superficial stuff which could buy votes, but did not care to use the same money for power generation.
There are a couple of big name biogas manufacturers, who have been seeking permission from the Punjab govt to install a biogas power plant in gawala colony, which has enough poop to produce upwards of 250mw power, but nothing was ever done. Reason? perhaps no kickbacks...or its not fancy, like say, a bullet train.
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No.. they couldn't..!!!!
It's a slogan which can very easily be raised in a jalsa but answer needs some understanding of the issue. It can not be answered in a jalsa.
Power generated by anyone including provincial government has to be sold to federal government. They fix the buying tariff, payment terms.. and only federal government decides the power distribution once it's sold to them. Therefore only federal governments's sovereign guarantees are acceptable to the financiers.
The national grid belongs to federal government.. it has nothing to do with 18th amendments. Gencos are entirely regulated by federal government and can not sell electricity to anyone except Pepco which comes under the federal government. Federal government has been doing indiscriminate load shedding in Punjab.. the matter was several time raised in CCI (Council of Common Interest).. and surety was given to Punjab at least ten times by no less than the Prime Minister of the country that Punjab will not be discriminated from National grid. However these decisions were never implemented. Punjab discos (distribution companies) had the least theft and line losses.. yet Punjab was subject to indiscriminate load shedding which created a huge job loss by the closure of industries (specially small industries).
Actually what Punjab was saying is not that you increase load shedding in other provinces to bring them at par with Punjab. They were saying to put more electricity on national grid to bring down load shedding by diverting gas from captive and other sectors to IPPs. Captive plants are very low in the priority list of the stated policy of the federal government.. while IPPs are highest on the list. This prioritization was not being followed. The captive sector in three provinces continued to get gas while there was no gas for IPPs to generate electricity for national grid.
Do you think that it is fair that around 4,000 large industrial units are provided gas to generate electricity for Rs. 5 per unit.. while a tailor or a work shop owner or a small loom factory is subjected to 18 hour load shedding and are asked to generate electricity for Rs. 35/ per unit through diesel operated generating sets. Why can't they generate 5 rupee electricity for national grid and supply everyone for 10 rupees irrespective of the size of the consumer. This will bring down the Pepco loss also which has reached 590 billion rupees per annum and is a major factor in the huge federal deficit.. increasing inflation, causing devaluation, increasing interest rates.. etc. etc.
P.S. Punjab could generate electricity.. was nothing more than a political slogan. Even PTI guys know that..
makes a lot of sense
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Both sides (PML-N and PTI) have played with this issue in order to criticize either PML or PPP. You are right in saying that the Punjab govt had its hands tied, and relied on the fed govt for sovereign guarantees. But the bottom line is, why did Punjab need sovereign guarantees after the NFC award? They burned money on projects like metro and laptops, superficial stuff which could buy votes, but did not care to use the same money for power generation.
There are a couple of big name biogas manufacturers, who have been seeking permission from the Punjab govt to install a biogas power plant in gawala colony, which has enough poop to produce upwards of 250mw power, but nothing was ever done. Reason? perhaps no kickbacks...or its not fancy, like say, a bullet train.
Why did they need sovereign guarantees?
Because they have to sell the electricity to federal government who will fix the tariff and payment terms. No Power project can be executed without sovereign guarantee..
even biogas project..
By the way biogas projects will produce electricity for more than Rs. 35 per unit. I have studied the project very deeply.. One mega watt unit has a capital expenditure of 4 million euros.. compared to half a million euros for a gas or coal fired generating plant. Even biogas produced electricity has to be sold to federal government.. which will distribute the electricity at their own will.. Prevailing laws do not allow anyone to distribute electricity at their will.. including the provincial governments..
P.S. Biofuel operated plants in Europe are producing electricity at highest cost.. they are heavily subsidized by their respective governments. I have personally visited such plants in Italy and Germany..