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The statement is poking fun at religious peoples' view of atheism as another 'religion' and hence other side of the same coin. Notice the word 'tales', not tails.
The atheists deny that. According to them, if atheism was organized as a 'belief' system and had rituals, prayers, etc, it would be true but the fact is that atheism is denial of religion, not the opposite of religion.
Re: Two sides of same coin
The statement is poking fun at religious peoples' view of atheism as another 'religion' and hence other side of the same coin. Notice the word 'tales', not tails.
The atheists deny that. According to them, if atheism was organized as a 'belief' system and had rituals, prayers, etc, it would be true but the fact is that atheism is denial of religion, not the opposite of religion.
But what are the reasons behind denial by athiests? Isn't main reason for such denial 'lack of logic' in religion?
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Actually religion is both sides of the coin ... Atheism is the arena in which things like evolution are entertained - the chances of which is like a coin being thrown and landing on its edge every 99 times out of 100.
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But what are the reasons behind denial by athiests? Isn't main reason for such denial 'lack of logic' in religion?
Atheists claim that everything is subject to interpretation. So i would say the logic they use to prove that religion is unnecessary is subject to interpretation. I would use logic to prove that religion is necessary.
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Atheists claim that everything is subject to interpretation. So i would say the logic they use to prove that religion is unnecessary is subject to interpretation. I would use logic prove that religion is necessary.
so you think there are grounds that can prove that religion is not without logic (as perceived by atheists).
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so you think there are grounds that can prove that religion is not without logic (as perceived by atheists).
Let’s first decide what is logical? does everything they want scientifically logical mean good?
According to worldly rationality giving charity is not logical. That means something wrong with their understanding or approach toward religion.
Without getting this point there is no point of proceeding further. someone counter my point!
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Let’s first decide what is logical? does everything they want scientifically logical mean good?
According to worldly rationality giving charity is not logical. That means something wrong with their understanding or approach toward religion. Without getting this point there is no point of proceeding further. someone counter my point!
I don't think that atheists have any issues with actions like charity. They probably find belief part illogical
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Interesting:hmmm:
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I don't think that atheists have any issues with actions like charity. They probably find belief part illogical
Again missing my point when we deal things with philosophy, things are not always as simple as 2+2=4. How can they decide what is logical and what is illogical, which logical thing is good and which logical thing is bad?
They should answer these questions before declaring something logical or illogical.
Although they try to challenge religion to be correct rationally or logically every now and then, but you will see no atheist would come here to counter my point.
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**I don't think that atheists have any issues with actions like charity. **They probably find belief part illogical
can you guess why they have no issue with actions like charity?
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ajazali is right … I have had deep debates with atheists and some of the more hardcore types are called … “Objectivists” …
Objectivity (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I would like to show you more about them but they are a fitnah … so I don’t want to be blamed spreading fitnah … In essence some of them say that charity is and welfare states are wrong and people who can’t be asked to work should be allowed to move to poverty and die off … leaving the rest of the people to compete and work capitalistically …
These are misguided but every much logical conclusions … but I’m not too sure about their use of logic is really totally bias free … as they claim.
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psyah pai, i dont see how that is any different from believing only people from your little club will go to heaven and the rest will suffer for eternity in hell. petty gods and all that.. :)
and evolution is real. it is proven. denying it makes you a kafir literally..
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mazhab ke silsile se mere vaalid marHoom kaa ek she'r hai jiske andar umeeq ma'nii muzmir haiN:
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dikhaa kar ik jhalak apnii, uRaa dii Khaak 'aalam meN
zaraa ab ThokreN khaaye nigaah e justuju barsoN!**
Muqwee, zaraa is she'r kii gahraaii-e-ma'aanii par Ghaur farmaaiye! :)
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i dont see how that is any different from believing only people from your little club will go to heaven and the rest will suffer for eternity in hell. petty gods and all that.. :)
and evolution is real. it is proven. denying it makes you a kafir literally..
So which club do you belong too? The same we're talking about?
Denying evolution makes you kafir or accepting one?
You yourself looks so confused.
Yes queer, bolo bolo, Khan kee baat ka jawaab do.
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mazhab ke silsile se mere vaalid marHoom kaa ek she'r hai jiske andar umeeq ma'nii muzmir haiN: ** dikhaa kar ik jhalak apnii, uRaa dii Khaak 'aalam meN zaraa ab ThokreN khaaye nigaah e justuju barsoN!**
Muqwee, zaraa is she'r kii gahraaii-e-ma'aanii par Ghaur farmaaiye! :)
kya baat hai. Aqalmand k lye ishara hi kafi hai.
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One reason for growing atheists in our Muslim community is lack of faith and finding logic behind everything and in Islam as a Muslim you don't have to find logic behind everything in Islam that's what I heard from my elder because when you do that then you're trying to outsmart Islam which you can't do, at least in your lifetime.
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psyah pai, i dont see how that is any different from believing only people from your little club will go to heaven and the rest will suffer for eternity in hell. petty gods and all that.. :)
and evolution is real. it is proven. denying it makes you a kafir literally..
queer ... Have you ever seen a mountain? Think about the people who climb it ... And then think of those who have climbed it in the past ... Now think about those people who will climb it in the future ... That mountain has been there probably for millennia .... People drift through life we are but a speck on the face of this Earth .... God according to our understanding was there at the beginning and will outlast all things; He created them ....
We quickly realise that our judgment of God is misplaced ... if we think of Him as petty ... No queer you and I are petty ... Me and my club and rest of humanity are all together in that boat of pettiness ... So there is nothing for me to be proud of ... Just be true to your humility and recognise that God is Gracious for letting you even take one breath while in disbelief of Him ...
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One reason for growing atheists in our Muslim community is lack of faith and finding logic behind everything and in Islam as a Muslim you don't have to find logic behind everything in Islam that's what I heard from my elder because when you do that then you're trying to outsmart Islam which you can't do, at least in your lifetime.
so Islam advocate sumum bucmum umun behavior of their followers?