two questions

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Salam all

i looked online to find these answers but i don’t think i’m wording the search right and i haven’t had a chance to ask the imam so if you could help me i’d be greatly obliged

1. When one comes across sujood in the Quran, is that performed just like the sajda in namaz? Is it different if you come across it while reading as opposed to reciting and coming across it in namaz?

and

2. If you make a mistake in namaz…extra rakat, forgot a rakat, not sure, etc…what are you supposed to do during your salat?

thanks a bunch!

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Re: two questions

as far as my knowledge goes for sujood in the Quran u just have to say Allahu Akbar & go in sujood once.
If you make a mistake in namaz you have to do sajda suhoo

& Allah Knows best.

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The prostration of forgetfulness in prayer is generally prescribed for three reasons:
1- Doing something extra
2- Omitting something
3- Being uncertain
Doing something extra: for example, doing an extra bow (rukoo’), prostration (sujood), standing or sitting.
Omitting something: such as omitting an essential part of the prayer, or omitting one of the obligatory parts of the prayer.
Being uncertain: such as when a person is not sure how many rak’ahs he has prayed, whether it was three or four, for example.
In the case of doing something extra, if a person adds something to his prayer – bowing, prostrating, standing or sitting – deliberately, then his prayer becomes invalid, because when he added it, that means that he did not do the prayer in the manner ordained by Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does an action that is not part of this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected.” Narrated by Muslim, 1718.
But if he did that extra thing by mistake, then his prayer is not invalidated, but he should do the prostration of forgetfulness after saying the salaam. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said that when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said the salaam after two rak’ahs in one of the two afternoon prayers, either Zuhr or ‘Asr, and they told him about that, he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did the rest of the prayer, then he said the salaam, then he prostrated twice (the prostration of forgetfulness) after saying the salaam. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 482; Muslim, 573.
And Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led them in praying Zuhr and he prayed five rak’ahs. When he had finished it was said to him: “Has something been added to the prayer?”
He said: “Why are you asking that?”
They said: “You prayed five (rak’ahs).”
So he turned towards the qiblah and prostrated twice. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4040; Muslim, 572.
In the case of omitting something, if a person omits one of the essential parts of the prayer, one of the following two scenarios must apply:
Either he remembers it before he reaches the same point in the following rak’ah, so he has to go back and do that essential part of the prayer and whatever came after it,
Or he does not remember it until he reaches the same point in the following rak’ah, in which case the following rak’ah takes the place of the one in which he omitted that essential part, and he should make up the invalid rak’ah.
In either of these two cases, he should do the prostration of forgetfulness after saying the salaam.
For example: a man stood up after doing the first prostration of the first rak’ah and did not sit or do the second prostration. When he started to recite Qur’aan he remembers that he had not done the second prostration or sat between the two prostrations. In that case he should go back and sit as between the two prostrations, then prostrate, then stand up and do whatever is left of his prayer, and do the prostration of forgetfulness after saying the salaam.
An example of one who did not remember until after he reached the same point in the following rak’ah is a man who stood up following the first prostration in the first rak’ah and did not do the second prostration or sit between the two prostrations, but he did not remember that until he sat between the two prostrations in the second rak’ah. In this case he should make the second rak’ah the first rak’ah, and add another rak’ah to his prayer, then say the salaam then do the prostration of forgetfulness.
Omitting an obligatory part of the prayer – such as if he omits an obligatory part and moves on to the next part of the prayer. For example, he forgets to say Subhaan Rabbiy al-A’la (Glory be to my Lord Most High) and he does not remember until he has got up from prostrating. In this case he has omitted an obligatory part of the prayer by mistake, so he should carry on with his prayer then do the prostration of forgetfulness before saying the salaam, because when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) omitted the first tashahhud he carried on with his prayer and did not go back and repeat anything, then he did the prostration of forgetfulness before saying the salaam.
In the case of being uncertain, such as if a person is not sure if he has done something extra or omitted something, e.g., he is not sure whether he has prayed three rak’ahs or four, one of the following two scenarios must apply:
Either he thinks that one or the other is more likely to be case, whether it is doing more or omitting something, in which case he should proceed on the basis of what he thinks is more likely to be the case, complete his prayer accordingly, then do the prostration of forgetfulness after saying the salaam;
Or neither appears more likely to be the case, so he should proceed on the basis of what is certain, namely the lesser amount, and complete his prayer accordingly, then do the prostration of forgetfulness before saying the salaam.
For example: a man prays Zuhr then he is not sure whether he is praying the third or fourth rak’ah, but he thinks it more likely that it is the third. So he should pray another rak’ah, then say the salaam, then do the prostration of forgetfulness.
An example of when neither seems to him more likely to be the case is when a man is praying Zuhr and is not sure whether he is in the third rak’ah or the fourth, and neither seems to him more likely to be the case. In that case he should proceed on the basis of what is certain, which is the lesser amount. So he should regard it as the third rak’ah, then do another rak’ah and do the prostration of forgetfulness before saying the salaam. Thus it becomes clear that this should be done before the salaam if you have omitted one of the obligatory parts of the prayer or if you are not sure how many rak’ahs you have done, and neither of the two choices seems more likely to be the case. And it should be done after the salaam if you have added something extra to the prayer or you are not certain but one of the two choices seems more likely to be the case.

this might have cleared your doubts.

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Re: two questions

like dewdrops mentions^..

@Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Sajda-e-Tilawat is simply to make sajda by saying Allahu-Akbar, going into sajda, and reciting three times ‘Subhaana rabbi-al a’alaa’. There is no need to stand or even raise the hands, as one would do when commencing Salat. There is also no salam on any side after making the sajda. And Allah Knows Best.

Forgetting one rakat of the prayer, you will have to repeat the prayer since it’s a fard. If you forget a wajib act, you have to to sajda in the last rakat after athyat say salam to the right then two sajda and then start fro athyat again finish off the prayer.

for more issues regarding forgetfulness in prayer please read this article.

The Forgetfulness Prostration

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 There are fifteen places in the Qur’aan where we     should perform sajdat al-tilaawah (prostration of recitation) when reciting them. It was     reported from ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas that the Messenger of Allaah   (peace and     blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited to him fifteen verses in the Qur’aan where     one should prostrate, three of which are in al-Mufassal and two in Soorat al-Hajj. It was     reported by Abu Dawood, Ibn Maajah, al-Haakim and al-Daaraqutni, and classed as hasan by     al-Mundhiri and al-Nawawi. The fifteen aayat are (interpretation of the meanings):
 1 - “Surely those who are with your Lord (angels) are never too     proud to perform acts of worship to Him, but they glorify His Praise and prostrate before     Him.”
 [al-A’raaf 7:206]
 2 - “And unto Allaah (Alone) falls in prostration whoever is in     the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the     mornings and in the afternoons.”
 [al-Ra’d 13:15]
 3 – “And to Allaah prostrate all that is in the heavens and     all that is in the earth, of the live moving creatures and the angels, and they are not     proud *.”
 [al-Nahl 16:49]
 4 – “Say (O Muhammad): ‘Believe in it (the Qur’aan)     or do not believe (in it). Verily! Those who were given knowledge before it, when it is     recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration.”
 [al-Isra’ 17:107]
 5 – “… When the Verses of the Most Beneficent (Allaah)     were recited unto them, they fell down prostrating and weeping.”
 [Maryam 19:58]
 6 – “See you not that to Allaah prostrates whoever is in the     heavens and whoever is one the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the     mountains, and the trees, and al-dawaab (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and many     of mankind? But there are many (men) on whom the punishment is justified. And whomsoever     Allaah disgraces, none can honour him. Verily! Allaah does what He wills.”
 [al-Hajj 22:18]
 7 – “O you who believe! Bow down, and prostrate yourselves,     and worship your Lord and do good that you may be successful.”
 [al-Hajj 22:77]
 8 – “And when it is said to them: ‘Prostrate to the Most     Beneficent (Allaah)!’ They say, ‘And what is the Most Beneficent? Shall we fall     down in prostration to that which you (O Muhammad) command us?’ And it increases in     them only aversion.”
 [al-Furqaan 25:60]
 9 – “[As Shaytaan has barred them from Allaah’s Way] so     that they do not worship (prostrate before) Allaah, Who brings to light what is hidden in     the heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal.”
 [al-Naml 27:25]
 10 – “Only those believe in Our aayaat (verses, signs, etc.)     who, when they are reminded of them fall down prostrate, and glorify the Praises of their     Lord, and they are not proud.”
 [al-Sajdah 32:15]
 11 – “… And Dawood guessed that We had tried him and he     sought forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in     repentance.”
 [Saad 38:24]
 12 – “And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and     the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Him Who     created them, if you (really) worship Him.”
 [Fussilat 41:37]
 13 – “So fall down in prostration to Allaah, and worship Him     (Alone).”
 [al-Najm 53:62]
 14 – “And when the Qur’aan is recited to them, they fall     not prostrate.”
 [al-Inshiqaaq 84:21]
 15 – “… Fall prostrate and draw near to Allaah!”
 [al-‘Alaq 96:19]

When performing the prostrations of forgetfulness and of recitation, you should say the same as you say when you prostrate in prayer: “Subhaana Rabbiy al-A’la (Glory be to my Lord Most High).” What is obligatory is to say that once, and the least required in order to do it perfectly is to say it three times.

& Allah:subhanahu: knows best.

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Re: two questions

:salam:

for more issues regarding forgetfulness in prayer please read this article.

The Forgetfulness Prostration

:jazak: for the link.It is quite informative & detailed.

:wsalam:

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Re: two questions

let me confirm it too