An-Nisa - 4:97
Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on Earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the Earth of Allâh spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell - What an evil destination! (An-Nisa 4:97)
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Try harder buddy.
This should be in religious forum
Try harder buddy.
A person with logic will understand what point I want to make. But if you are an Indian, then that explains your comment.
A person with logic will understand what point I want to make. But if you are an Indian, then that explains your comment.
Lame again. Try even harder.
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what is 2 nation theory?
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Two nation theory means that in the sub continent there are two Major Nations. Muslims and Hindus. Before the partition of India when the Britishers were ruling, the muslims were being targetted by hindus as well as the British government. As a reaction the muslim leaders had to find the solution. THey divided the country based on this theory that Muslim and Hindus can't live together because their culture as well as their religion is different. We wanted a separate state to live our life according to Islam. Although the latter part is not being practiced because of the hypocrisy of leaders and laziness of us. But still we are better than a common Indian Muslim who is still hated and mistreated in India. By this verse I want to prove that if you can't practice your religion, you are ordered to migrate to other places. But if you don't and then remain in the state of sinful deeds then you will go to hell. Indian Muslims didn't migrate and listened to hypocrite Mullahs. They also didn't want to leave their businesses and belongings. And the common Janta is suffering there.
Lame again. Try even harder.
slickstar, first of all tell which country you belong to. Because if you are an Australian then you know nothing about Two Nation Theory. Secondly I have explained it.
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sipraomer - in that case should all muslims in India and other countries which do not call themselves islamic emigrate to those that call themselves that? is that what you are saying?
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You are not great a troll. I suggest you stop wasting your time on the internet and go get a book.
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^Kabhi bachoN sey narmi bhi kiya karo
Present day Muslims are mostly driven by language, cast, creed,cultue and type of faith they practice not by releigion in general. Hence two nation theory is totally a failure concept and should not be applied on Muslims. A faulty propoganda, dictators used in late 40's, 50's, and 60's to usurp the rights of people. Its faillure proved in 1971 when Bengalis opt out of Pakistan. Baluchis are struggling the same battle now.
Two nation theory which was given as the root cause of having necessity to carve another country at the time of independence of United India for muslims was actually a reactionary theory against fascist mind set of then leaders such as Nehru. Nehru who was too much impressed by Stalin at that time wanted to create a centralised power oriented country where he saw himself as a Stalin style fascist dictator. His own theories have failed in India which has become a decentralised political entity where regional politics and power centers are todays reality.
This two nation theory was not a religious theory at that time. It was a reaction against this mindset. Jinnah at that time wanted more powers for federating units which was resisted by Nehru which eventually led to the demand of a separate country.
Religious fundos have used this theory to harass minorities in Paksitan over the years. Subsequent governments have used this theory to suppress people (supperession of Baluchistan by all powerful facist dictator Musharraf is just a recent example). Separation of Bangladesh also occured due to the actual need of this theory which was all about decentralisation of power and when due power was not delegated to a big federating unit East Pakistan by the strong central government of Ayub Khan. Breaking away of Bangladesh is a sufficient proof that this theory had no religious basis.
Now once again religious extremist are quoting out of context Ayahs to give it a religious colour...
Islam is a religion of peace. Holy Prophet believed in co existence and if any conflict with other religious communities occured at that time it was because of reasons confined to that time only.
The so called fake Islamist want muslims to fight and hate other religious communities forever. It should be clearly understood that Islam teaches tolerance and coexistence. Any fight against other religious communities at the time of Holy Prophet was against the non muslims of that time only. Islam does not teaches muslims to hate non muslims forever like some posters want us to believe.
My advice to non-muslims living in India and other non muslim majority countries is to live in those countries peacefully with other communities. They should practice tolerance with other religious communities and not to give much ear to these so called fake Islamist !
Similarly muslims in majority muslim Pakistan should not use harass non muslims from practising their faith as these fake Islamist are suggesting by wrongly understanding the two nation theory as a relgious theory of vengence and hate !!!!
The Ayah in the first post would apply if the muslims are opressed, (such as Gaza) otherwise there is no problem in living in a non-muslim state.
slickstar, first of all tell which country you belong to. Because if you are an Australian then you know nothing about Two Nation Theory. Secondly I have explained it.
Why does it matter? If it means that much to you my Parents are Pakistani.
I just like to make this very clear how I feel about not only the 2 nation theory but the idea of "nation states" in general. In my personal opinion from understanding philosophy of the establishment that no matter what, the institution of the state *is *overwhelmingly the most important enemy of our natural rights; be it Islamic, Hindu, communist etc.
There is an absolute failure amongst some Muslims who are seeking an Islamic utopianism. In principle I totally agree with Jinnah who finally helped millions break free from the shackles of the British, but what has it given us or even India? Nothing, zilch, Zero.
Look at Pakistan. You advocate a 2 nation theory and the greatest enemy is the state itself. The army and politicians have proven to us all capable of totalitarian killing of the very same people it claims to represent. This can be seen in India as well. It is *vital *to understand that the fully the nature of the State is thrust for power no matter what.
In my personal opinion I see no difference between the 2 current establishments in the subcontinental. In fact Pakistan would be in the same position it is now had the partition not taken place; ie, oppressed, and brainwashed by Indian bureaucrats instead of Pakistani's that all of the state's deeds of oppression are really in the people's interests.
sipraomer - in that case should all muslims in India and other countries which do not call themselves islamic emigrate to those that call themselves that? is that what you are saying?
Those who are in difficulty should either emmigrate or should struggle for a separate state. Why such a huge population should live in humiliation and such a small minority like Sikhs could strike and start the movement of Khalistan. Although the hypocrite Ahtezaz Hasan destroyed that movement.
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CM wipe your mouth first and don't start crying like babies. I posted what I observed and thought right. You dis agree fine . No problem. This is my view of this verse. And yes I agree if muslims are not in trouble then its ok. But Indian muslims are in trouble, as far as masses are concerned.
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In Pakistan minorities are dealt with justice. And Balochistan is being fooled by Indian Raw. No where in history there has been a country which has so much gap between its states. And in that gap the enemy is living. Your Indian Secularism is also fake and that is why 6 movements are active in India. They are also not being given rights. We don't loot our minorities. Two Nation Theory is right by all means.
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Yazdi life of minorities in Pakistan is better than life of minorites in India. And why Pakistan was created, Read the book of Jaswant Singh. Period.