Re: Two Eids / One question
Re: Two Eids / One question
dont know about revoking that hadith.
Re: Two Eids / One question
Afshi this is what my understanding is about Ahl-e-sunna wal jamaat
Quran comes first, then sunnat then the doings/sayings of sahaba
but when it comes to practice, doings of sahaba takes over hadees as the logic is that they probably heard of some command of Prophet 
that was never documented so could not reach us but because Sahaba knew better than us then we should follow sahaba. Many may not agree to this logic but it makes completely sense to me
BTW, this rule applies to the practice of madani sahaba only (those who lived in madina for the whole time of prophet)
Re: Two Eids / One question
But we aren’t exactly stranded right??
As long as we are not on the deserted island…we can follow that…say wat?? 
Re: Two Eids / One question
**Astronomer threatened with lawsuit for doubting Eid moon sighting
**
By MD HUMAIDAN | ARAB NEWS
Published: Sep 3, 2011 23:40 Updated: Sep 3, 2011 23:40
**
JEDDAH: A number of conservative scholars have threatened to sue Saudi astronomer and scientist Khaled Al-Zaaq for doubting the testimony of citizens who reported to the Hilal panel (moon sighting committee) that the Shawwal crescent was visible on Ramadan 29 (Aug. 29).**
After confirming the veracity of the sighting by the people who had reported to the panel, the committee declared the end to the fasting month of Ramadan and signaled the advent of Eid Al-Fitr the next day (Tuesday).
The threats of action came amidst an ongoing debate between Muslim scholars and astronomers about the possibility and probability of sighting the moon on Aug. 29. The astronomers claim the moon could not be sighted on that day as it had eclipsed before sunset.
According to the Islamic calendar, the Arabic months can be either 29 or 30 days long. On many occasions, Eid has been celebrated after only 29 days of fasting.
But this year the debate turned heated after Al-Zaaq was widely quoted by local press and electronic sites that there was no way to sight the crescent on the night of Ramadan 29, thus casting doubts on the testimony of those who claimed to have seen it.
The purists said the astronomer should not have cast doubts on the testimonies of the people who sighted the moon because their antecedents are checked before their word is accepted. Those who call in after sighting the moon are known for their integrity and straightforwardness.
A number of Saudi astronomers had issued press statements claiming that the moon could not be sighted while renowned Islamic scholars defended the testimonies of the people who sighted the moon and said Eid came at the right time.
Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah Al-Asheikh in his Friday sermon at Imam Turki bin Abdullah Mosque in Riyadh described those who doubted the moon sighting as “motivated and deviated people with foul mouths.”
“There are unjust pens and foul tongues that cast doubt on our religion which should be silenced. We are strictly following the Sunnah of our Prophet in fasting and marking Eid days,” he said, accusing the doubting astronomers of trying to impose their opinions on the nation.
The mufti said the Shariah was clear in the procedures of moon sighting and added that Muslims would never give up the Sunnah for false opinions.
The moon was very clear the next day and was seen in various areas on Tuesday night. This supported the stand of those who said they had sighted the moon on Monday evening.
A number of citizens in the western Al-Ais area said they were able to sight the moon on the night of Monday for half an hour. Their testimony contradicts the claims of the astronomers who said that the moon could not be sighted.
Re: Two Eids / One question
as-salaamu alaykum
brother TLk, jazak Allah khayran for good points. Allhamdulillah, many of us share the same sentiment. One side people claim "we follow the Qur'an and the sunnah" but on the other side when sunnah said "watch your local moon and if you see it then do 29 otherwise complete 30" then same people turn around and bring petty arguments to reject that.
SubhaanAllah, can there be any simpler method than what the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) told us!!?
do you look at the sun movement when deciding the prayer timings??
or do you follow that calculated schedule thingy??
we don't look at the sun because the calculated time is estimated based on the sun and since we trust the scholars who spent time to research this we take their words for it. This is not same as using calculation for moon sighting and it is a false comparison.
I hear the scientists can pretty easily tell u whether there is going to be a moon or not..........so why don't just follow what the science of your local area (not saudi schedule) says??
wouldn't that like.....eliminate all doubts?? about reliability of witnesses.......and also blilnd adherence to the saudi calendar????
1 - this method is still not accurate so there's still the uncertainty factor
2 - it's not up to us to decide stuff for Islam. When Allah and His messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) laid down a method for us then who are we to say that it's not perfect for us or it has uncertainty and reliability issues. Are you trying to imply that Allah didn't know about all these issues and hence He didn't choose a perfect method for us?
Re: Two Eids / One question
I myself go with #3, local sighting.
refresh my memory...is Eid ul Adha based on the Saudi sighting?
The people who follow the local sighting for it still go with the local sighting and those who go by Saudi still go with their sighting. Though this one is a bit more "controversial" in that the people who follow Saudi with say that those who go by the local sighting are wrong because there can only be one day of arafat. That also happens to fall on the 10th day of Zul Hijja.
This whole unity/disunity thing is exaggerated IMO. So we may celebrate Eid on different days, but that doesn't mean there's a lack of unity as long as we aren't quarrelling because of it.
Re: Two Eids / One question
With the current debate on correctness or otherwise of the hilal sighting on Monday in KSA, the Pakistan RHC is being vindicated.
[http://storyful.com/Kmeshal/1000007256
Reports of Saturn mistaken as Hilal[/h]Various news agencies such as AlArabiya and Aljazeera began reporting that the planet Saturn might have been mistaken for the Hilal (crescent moon). This could mean that what was announced as the first day of Eid al-Fitr was suppose to be a day of fasting, rather than celebrations.](http://storyful.com/Kmeshal/1000007256)
Re: Two Eids / One question
I came across this discussion very late. But I am going to throw my two cents anyway.
I will start with the calculation method.
It's not rocket science really. It simply goes to show the lack of astronomical knowledge that our scholars and the people in authority at large possess. ISNA in USA has got it all wrong, for example. They are caculating the birth of new moon as the first of the month. Astronomically, moon can not be sighted until it's age is between 15-20 hours old from it's birth at the time of sunset at a given location. There are many other factors that need to be taken into consideration such as angle of the heavenly bodies at the time of the birth of new moon. Sometimes, they get it right, and sometimes they don't... What ISNA has done is despicable in my opinion because they have actually started following the jews in "fixing" the lunar calender thus fulfilling the ahadeeth of the prophet (SAW) in which it was said that ummah will follow the jews in every aspect and that the two Ummahs (Bani Israel and Muslims) are as if they are the slippers of opposite feet.
On another note, if we are following the moon of the makkah, then kindly start following the sun of makkah too. While we are talking about sun and I saw a discussion on timings of prayers. Movement of Sun is calculated precisely to figure out the exact time of the prayer, hence, it's a no brainer.
Likewise, how is it really translated into the unity of ummah when Eid prayer is offered in Makkah while we here in USA are praying Isha a night before eid (considering moon of makkah is followed) ... scientifically, the night travels due to the motion of the earth so the night moves across globe and it can fall on different days of week in different parts of the world... All our Lailat-ul-Qadars are being compromised due to this. We end up sleeping at nights when Malaeeka are descended and waking up on other nights... Simply shameful.!!!
I also saw someone mentioned about Eid-ul-Adha. It's on 10th of zil haj. and zil haj is also a lunar month so same logic should prevail. Makkah is not a reference point of the lunar calendar for the rest of the world.
Re: Two Eids / One question
Thank God someone ^^finally came and put this to sleep on the fact that new Islamic month begins NOT at the birth but from the Visibility ..which is about 18 hours or so. So the moon may have born in Saudi at the time of declaring Eid but Islamic rulings is that when you see the moon then do Eid otherwise complete 30. So this year am sure 30 needed to be completed as moon was not seen .. i certainly hope Afshis misconceptions are sorted now. Just to add a minimum of 3 witnesses are needed not one man from chilli..whos intentions could be compramised.. hence need more than one. We ourselves take #3 too as it'd the correct Islamic method.
Re: Two Eids / One question
wats no. 2 and no.3 i dont get it
Re: Two Eids / One question
I appreciate Jinx, Allahkabanda and FBI to confirm that what we always thought is the right thing to do.
angel25, what part of #2 and #3 you did not understand.
Re: Two Eids / One question
Thanks for saying that. :k: