Twenty provinces

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It is an excellent idea. We definitely need moreprovinces for better administration, more accountability, equal distribution of resources, and general empowerment of the local communities.

But the problem is that MQM feels the need to say these things every now and then to troll the marsoo marsoo mafia, they do not intend to turn this idea into a proper debate and fight it through. I think it's time they need to take a proper stance on this issue, turn it into a party agenda and put their entire weight behind it. They certainly won't be the only voice asking for more provinces in current situation.

Having said that, I don't support the idea of turning City into a province. For example, Lahore and Karachi should remain Cities, but they can have their own City governments and Mayor with decision making powers. Yes, let's put an end to the practice of CM of the entire province acting like a Mayor of one particular city.

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log yehi kahtay howay marj jayen gai… ‘pehlay Punjab nahi’ ya ‘mulk tornay ki baat na karo’, oh bhai, saaray Provinces ko divide karnay se mulk toot nahi jata, jaa ke thori history parh lo :chai:

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For that to happen, you need a proper LG system like the US as UK doesn't have provinces? Funny thing is the balochistan had LG elections but even PTI never had them in KP, and I don't even see anything good coming out of the PPP / noon setup.

Musharraf's system was good but people gave undue criticism on it. Fine, if it is bad then fix it instead of going back to regressive colonial british systems. In fact, President should be more powerful and elected so that we have true executive and legislative branch of govt .

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Nahin nahin russia bhee toot giya tha…

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Division of Sindh ... I think it would be foolish for MQM to demand that, because if free and fair election is held, they have good chance to form government in Sindh easily. Then they can create different administrative units in Sindh, not to divide Sindh but to bring more progress and provide facilities to all Sindhis (whatever language they speak) at their door-step ... Well:

Even though PPP is getting negligible seats (and votes) from Karachi, PPP is getting more seats (and votes) in Sindh. On the other hand, MQM is getting few seats outside Karachi and Hyderabad, but getting most seats from Karachi and number of seats from Hyderabad.

To maintain the situation, PPP is doing propaganda that only PPP has interest of interior Sindh, as if voters and office bearers of MQM are not from Sindh and do not care for Sindh … when all know that future of PPP and MQM voters in Sindh are linked to the prosperity of Sindh … and both like to see Sindh progresses, get developed, and people (resident of Sindh) gets all facilities that government could provide.

Unfortunately, PPP parliamentarians who are mostly from feudal landlord class, rich industrialists, or corrupt bureaucrats, want to keep Sindh backward, so that they can use votes of interior Sindh to loot and plunder Sindh. Since 1947, same people ruled interior Sindh who are backbone of PPP … and as PPP ruled Sindh most years since 1971, still did nothing for interior Sindh other than cosmetic work.

I am pretty sure that if MQM would make some inroads in interior Sindh then with help of seats from Karachi plus Hyderabad they could become majority party in Sindh parliament, and then it would be PPP who would start demanding division of Sindh. At that time, I am sure MQM would start protesting on division of Sindh.

As for me, I would only like to tell MQM that instead of asking division of Sindh (if they are), they should work a bit on educating people of interior Sindh, make them understand their right, give them awareness, and ask for votes for change, so that real change comes in Sindh, and then when they do get some inroad in interior Sindh, work to bring progress and development in Sindh, so that every Sindh (from Karachi or outside) get a better life without exploitation.

[What I know, MQM already has huge vote bank in interior Sindh, but heavy rigging, feudal influences, intimidation and heavy handedness of PPP Vaderas, police, and bureaucracy … is keeping the party making deep inroad. So MQM only needs a federal sponsored system where free and fair election is possible all across Sindh … and if that would happen, then I believe, most of their inroads into Sindh would be easy]

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MQM has “huge” voter bank in interior sindh? Somethin’ is “huge” alrite… :hehe:

The reason that PPP or whatever party is against division is sindh is that they get to offload jiyalas on cushy jobs which won’t happen for provincial jobs if karachi is separate. Sure, pml-n also does and did bharti in fed jobs , but for that PPP would have to win federal elections and it isn’t a monopoly there.

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@Princejall. Nafratain tou abhi bhi hain. Sindhi vs Urdu speaking in Sindh, Saraaeki vs Punjabi in Punjab, Balochi vs Makrani in Baluchistan, abd probably Pakhtoon vs Hindko in KPK.

Also, we dont have to look at west. Iran has 31 provinces, Nepal has 14 zones, Sri Lanka has 9 administrative divisions, and Bangladesh has 7. India has 34 states.

@Jolie. Problem with MQM on pushing for that is that it's still considered a nationalist party, and a demand of division coming from them may seem like an agenda based, even if it's good for the whole country.

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Obviously, I did not wrote that MQM would win election and would get many seats from interior Sindh even if present system do not change. I only claimed that MQM do have huge support in interior Sindh (even though they get no seats) and if they would make further inroads, plus system becomes free and fair, they can win seats from interior Sindh too … and along with seats from Karachi and Hyderabad they could form majority.

In 2013 election they got 39 elected MPAs in Sindh Assembly compared to 69 elected MPAs for PPP. PPP loses 5 seats to any party and MQM could make coalition government in Sindh.

Here is report of MQM call for strike (March 2012) and people responding throughout Sindh, shows some indication of their support in interior Sindh.

MQM observes Black Day throughout Sindh – The Express Tribune
MQM observes Black Day throughout Sindh

By Web Desk
Published: March 17, 2012

****KARACHI: **Several cities of Sindh province observed Black Day against extortions and rising crimes on the call of Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), Express News reported on Saturday.
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All businesses as well as transport was halted in the protest backed by the business community of the city. Shops, hotels, petrol pumps and educational institutes also remained closed.

In Karachi, three vehicles were torched by unidentified people in different areas, while aerial firing was observed in Shah Faisal Colony, Orangi Town and other areas.

Rangers and police personnel were deployed to avoid any untoward incident.

Other areas observing the strike include Hyderabad, Mirpur Khas, Nawabshah, Tando Allahyar, Thatta, Dhabeji, Gharo and several others. Some tires were reportedly torched in Mirpur Khas.

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Mqm is not just in Karachi. It also has huge footprint in Hyderabad, Thatta, Sakkhur and Jamshoro.

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Once again here
AP’s Proposal for New regional contract with present Provinces of Pakistan
Semi Autonomous Divisions , Sub Provinces or States under the flag of present provinces of Pakistan .
Issue of creating of new provinces in Pakistan is a very old demand but it could not become serious before . Now it is very serious after passing resolutions by Punjab assembly and constituting a formal commission by the National Assembly on the advise of president of Pakistan . Creating new provinces is a need of the time but it is being used for political motives . Let’s have look on the map of Pakistan as it was on 14 August 1947.

http://www.mybahawalpur.com/bahawalpur-maps/pakmap.jpg

It may be surprising for many people that how the Pakistan establishment destroyed the best regional management organized by the Britishers . Even Karachi was a federal administrated area till the One Unit .
Creating new provinces only in Punjab can create many problem for other provinces . There should be a long discussion on the issue . Here is a proposal for adopting a better way for new regional administration .
In the light of 18th amendment provinces have got more powers and now able to do more.
If you look at history and our present regions all the four provinces have a natural division of five each.
Sindh
Karachi, Larkana, Hyderabd, Khairpur and Sukkur
Punjab
Bahwalpur, Multan. Pothohar,Lahore and Thull (Sargodh ,Mianwali etc)
KP
Peshawar ,Malakand,Hazarah, Dera and FATA
Baluchistan
Four states and Quetta Zhob , excluding enclave of Gawadar.
(Gawadar and Rajanpur should be given status of Federal Districts)
Gawadar should be made a 100% free port
We can give them all a present status of Sub provinces with a deputy governor and minimum 50 % provincial rights to their councils may be consisting the elected MNAs , MPAs , senators and elected heads of related district councils .
They should be given a minimum five years time to act as sub province and later they could ask more or less.
You can see the link to understand more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisio…#New_Provinces
Map of Pakistan till 1954
http://www.mybahawalpur.com/bahawalpur-maps/pakmap.jpg
Please also visit the page.
Multan Province
پاکستان میں نئے صوبوں کا مسئلہ کافی اہمیت کا حامل بھی ہے اور پیچیدہ بھی – عام طور پر سیاستدان اس کو اپنے مفادات کیلئے استمعال کرتے ہیں لیکن یہی وجہ لوگوں کے جذبات کو بڑھکا دیتی ہے .چند سیاستدان جو معاملے کو درحقیقت ٹالنا چاہتے ہیں وہ لسانی بنیاد پر تقسیم کی مخالفت اور انتظامی تقسیم کی بات کرتے ہیں – صوبہ خیبر پختونخواہ میں دلچسپ صورتحال ہے جہاں غیر متوقع طور پر عوامی نیشنل پارٹی نئے صوبوں کی مخالفت نہیں کرتی صرف مولانا فضل الرحمن مخالفت کرتے ہیں جہاں ڈیرہ اسماعیل میں انہیں اپنی ذاتی سیاست کے متاثر ہونے کا خطرہ ہے
-پنجاب میں عمران اور نواز نئے صوبوں کے مسئلے پر گومگو کا شکار ہیں -نئے صوبوں کی حمایت کرنے سے انہیں وسطی پنجاب میں اپنی مقبولیت متاثر ہونے کا خطرہ ہے جبکہ دیگر تمام جماعتیں اپنا وزن نئے صوبوں کے حق میں ڈال چکی ہیں -
سندھ میں دونوں بری جماعتیں پیپلز پارٹی اور متحدہ دونوں سندھ کی تقسیم کی مخالف ہیں مگر تقسیم اقتدار کا کوئی متفقہ فارمولہ بھی تیار کرنے سے قاصر ہیں – یہ تجویز شائد ان کی بھی کوئی مدد کر سکے -
بلوچستان میں یہ فارمولہ زیادہ موزوں تو نہیں مگر امن و امان اور لوگوں کے حقوق کی حفاظت شائد زیادہ موثر طور پر ہو سکے
یہ تجویز پہلے سےتیار کیے گئے کسی فارمولے کے بغیر اس فورم پر ہونے والی بحث کے نتیجے اور اس بحث کے دوران قدرتی اتفاقی دریافت کا نتیجہ ہے
پاکستان کے موجودہ چاروں صوبے اتفاقی طور پر پانچ پانچ جغرافیائی ،تاریخی ،انتظامی یا لسانی بنیادوں پر تقسیم ہیں جنکو اس تھریڈ میں موجود نقشوں اور حوالوں (لنکس) کی مدد سے بآسانی شناخت کیا جاسکتا ہے -یہی تعداد مختلف مسائل مثلا” سینٹ میں سیٹوں کا مسئلہ اور دیگر مالی اور انتظامی حقوق کے ھل میں مددگار ثابت ہو سکتی ہے – یہ کوئی لازمی امر نہیں کہ ہم ہر مسئلہ کو فوری حل کریں بلکہ ایسے حساس معاملات میں تدریجی حل بہتر ثابت ہو سکتا ہے اور مختلف خطوں کے لوگ تجربہ سے فائدہ اٹھا کر بہتر طور اپنے مستقبل کا تعین کر سکتے ہیں
Sindh
Karachi, Larkana, Hyderabd, Khairpur and Sukkur
سندھ ؛ کراچی ،حیدرآباد ،سکھر ،خیرپور اور بدین یا جو بھی سندھ کے ماہرین مناسب سمجھیں
Punjab
Bahwalpur, Multan. Pothohar,Lahore and Thull (Sargodh ,Mianwali etc)
پنجاب ؛لاہور بہاولپور ،ملتان ، تھل اور پوٹھوہار
KP
Peshawar ,Malakand,Hazarah, Dera and FATA
خیبر پختونخواہ ؛پشاور ،ہزارہ ،مالاکنڈ ( دیر ،سوات ،چترال وغیرہ )، ڈیرہ اسمعیل خان اور قبائلی علاقه جات
Baluchistan
Four Ex-states and Quetta Zhob , excluding Gawadar .
بلوچستان ؛ چار سابقہ ریاستیں قلات ، خاران، مکران ،لسبیلہ اور کوئٹہ زوب وغیرہ (سابقہ انتظامی علاقه )علاوہ گوادر
(Gawadar and Rajanpur should be given status of Federal Districts)Gawadar should be made a 100% free port
گوادر اور راجن پور کو وفاقی علاقے قرار دینا چاہئیے اور گوادر کو ایک سو فی صد فری پورٹ بنانا چاہئیے
یہ کوئی حتمی بات نہیں بحث و تجویز کے ذریعے اس کو مزید بہتر اور سب کے لیے قابل قبول بنایا جاسکتا ہے – ان انتظامی یونٹوں کو ریجن ،سب پراوینس، سٹیٹ یا ڈویزن کوئی بھی نام دیا جا سکتا ہے اور اس کا سربراہ ایک ڈپٹی گورنر ہو سکتا ہے اور اس کی کونسل میں منتخب ممبران قومی و صوبائی اسمبلی , ڈسٹرکٹ کوسلوں کے منتخب سربراہ اور سینٹرز شامل ہوں . اس صورتحال میں کم از کم پانچ سال گزارنے کے بعد یہ اپنے مستقبل کا اپنی صوبائی اسمبلی میں ہی فیصلہ کر سکیں
The issue has been discussed widely at
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/495422-new-provinces-bahawalpur-multan-and-hazarah.html

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Now MQM follows me
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Marsoon Marsoon sindh a desoon. ....
Inn ke abba ko Jahheeezz main sindh mila tha Jo na desoon

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he said marsoon marsoon Sindh na deson
marsoon marsoon punjab na deson
marsoon marsoon kpk na deson

baap ki jagidar ha inn ki
virsa mei aya ha

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Son of Pakistan has right to say

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There was a time MQM would generate intense criticism because they would deliberately mar the legitimate debate of more provinces with ethnic bias. They’ve been in power with every type of government for over 36 years, but still didn’t manage to get any lasting breakthrough on the issue. It’s about time, they stop making hasty slogans out of frustration, stirring heated debates in the public eye, but quickly abandoning them in the middle once some backdoor deals are offered.

MQM really needs to thoroughly commit to this cause. They should know that greater devolution won’t be handed out to the people on platter. Yes, there will be fierce opposition, they’ll be attacked viciously from all corners. But if MQM manages to base their demand on legit reasons, logic and facts, they’d eventually manage to get their message across to the public and earn wider support. But the million dollar question is, does MQM have the patience and the vision to carry out a genuine public campaign to fight a particular cause?

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no one has right ex cuse Pakistan sub ka , bilawal kahn se aya jageedari dehknay

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and by the way When MQM is leaving PPP gov of Sindh as they r biggest hurdle in dividing Sindh into administrative units? DRAMA

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I must agree that no one is going to bet even a 100 dollar on MQM's vision to stick with a single agenda

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I wonder how the MQM youth or the generation that once stood up with MQM in their youth feel when they see Prince Bilawal prowl around the City with 35 pajaro protocol?

So much for taking 'do or die' stance against feudalism. What a criminal waste (and abuse of) of 36 years of power.

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Like fools singing and dancing over fake song of 35 punctures