Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
Jalaludin se bhi 1000 baras pehle tolerance ka lesson sikhane wala iss duniya main aaya tha
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
^ app ka or mera yahan nazryati ikhtilaaf hai ...
sirf ik bat kahoon gee
hazrat ibrahim nay apne qoom say jhagra kia tha ..kay soorj chaand yeh rub nahi ho saktay
or Allah nay is per fermaya
hazrat ibrahim ko yeh hujjatain hum nay aat kee
hazrat moosa nay firoon say muqaalma kia
hazrat nooh nay apni qoom ko roka
to kia yeh saray nabi dosroon kay jazbaat say khail rahay thay ??
haq or batil alag he rakho ..werna haq ki pehchan nahi rahay gee
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
^ app ka or mera yahan nazryati ikhtilaaf hai ...
sirf ik bat kahoon gee
hazrat ibrahim nay apne qoom say jhagra kia tha ..kay soorj chaand yeh rub nahi ho saktay
or Allah nay is per fermaya
hazrat ibrahim ko yeh hujjatain hum nay aat kee
hazrat moosa nay firoon say muqaalma kia
hazrat nooh nay apni qoom ko roka
to kia yeh saray nabi dosroon kay jazbaat say khail rahay thay ??
haq or batil alag he rakho ..werna haq ki pehchan nahi rahay gee
mera point sirf itna hai ke hamre jaisi societies jahan ek se ziada mazahib ke manene walon ki baRi tadaad ho, wahan per tolerance se kaam lia jae... apne aur apne deen ki respect ke liye doosron aur doosron ke deen o dharam ki respect karna hogi..
Hamare nabi ne bhi issi cheez ki taleem di... lakum deenukum wali ya deen aur la ikraha fiddin jaisi aayaat issi point of view ka munh bolta saboot hai
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
mera point sirf itna hai ke hamre jaisi societies jahan ek se ziada mazahib ke manene walon ki baRi tadaad ho, wahan per tolerance se kaam lia jae... apne aur apne deen ki respect ke liye doosron aur doosron ke deen o dharam ki respect karna hogi..
Hamare nabi ne bhi issi cheez ki taleem di... lakum deenukum wali ya deen aur la ikraha fiddin jaisi aayaat issi point of view ka munh bolta saboot hai
main sirf is poetry ki bat ker rahee hoon k is main jo msg hay woh quran or hadees kay bohat say asool torta hay
is poetry main yeh sabit kia ja raha hay k is bat say koi ferq nahi perta
ko koi hindu ho ya muslman
to aisa nahi ho sakta
ferq perta hay ..or ferq hota hay
app ka point theek hay ..lakin we r talking about poem
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
main sirf is poetry ki bat ker rahee hoon k is main jo msg hay woh quran or hadees kay bohat say asool torta hay
is poetry main yeh sabit kia ja raha hay k is bat say koi ferq nahi perta
ko koi hindu ho ya muslman
to aisa nahi ho sakta
ferq perta hay ..or ferq hota hay
app ka point theek hay ..lakin we r talking about poem
Islam means peace and peace can't exist without tolerance. first stage of tolerance to respect others views. We may not agree to the poet's view, but I find his intention valuable in today's time. Harmony should be promoted. Once we are in a position to tolerate each others, then we can discuss whats our point of views, what is wrong and right and how you are wrong and I'm right. starting from you are wrong and I'm right never solves any problems.
Quran was revealed over the period of 23 years because Allah wanted to teach society in gradual manners. Allah knew every wrong aspects of the society, but there was no such thing like one day implementation of Islam
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
lekin wo sabak sikhanay wala but-shikan tha, but-farosh nahi. usko to kuffar-e-makka nay offer ki thi, k kuch tum hamari maano, kuch hum tumhari aur hasi khushi aik hee jagha rehtay hain, lekin usko 
uskay rab nay hukam diya tha k is maamlay main koi compormise nahi
aur aik moqay par farmaya tha "… Say, “Are the blind and the seeing alike? Do you, then, not reflect?” (al inaam 50)
ye shairi to deen-e-ilahi reinvented type ki cheez hay
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
agar Makkah ke halaat iss waqt ke Indo-Pak wale hote to shayad Quran o Hadees in aspects ko kisi aur tarah se address karte. but the general guideline is there, which is convey your point of view without hurting others
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
Islam means peace and peace can't exist without tolerance. first stage of tolerance to respect others views. We may not agree to the poet's view*, but I find his intention valuable in today's time*. Harmony should be promoted. Once we are in a position to tolerate each others, then we can discuss whats our point of views, what is wrong and right and how you are wrong and I'm right. starting from you are wrong and I'm right never solves any problems.
Quran was revealed over the period of 23 years because Allah wanted to teach society in gradual manners. Allah knew every wrong aspects of the society, but there was no such thing like one day implementation of Islam
bus yeh to keh rahe hoon
app kisi or nazar say dekh rahay hian or main kissi or nazar say : )
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
aik jagha miljul kar zaroor rahain... tolerance zaroor karain. ye sabak to hamaray deen say zyada aur kisi mazhab main hay hee nahi.
lekin apnay deen ki aur uski islahaat ki, uski nishaniyoon aur taleemat ki nafi karna kisi bhee tarha tolerance kay dayeray main nahi aata
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
agar Makkah ke halaat iss waqt ke Indo-Pak wale hote to shayad Quran o Hadees in aspects ko kisi aur tarah se address karte. but the general guideline is there, which is convey your point of view without hurting others
saying that my namaz is differnt and your pooja is different
my rehmaan is different than your raam
my masjid is different than your mandir
is hurting others? how?
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
saying that my namaz is differnt and your pooja is different my rehmaan is different than your raam my masjid is different than your mandir
is hurting others? how?
when you hilight differences you don't need to say anything, your attitude conveys it all. When you want to create harmony, you have to come up with words. This is the reason why Muslim sufis came up with poetry and Muslim invaders used their force.
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
when you hilight differences you don't need to say anything, your attitude conveys it all. When you want to create harmony, you have to come up with words. This is the reason why Muslim sufis came up with poetry and Muslim invaders used their force.
so lets start doing pooja instead of offering namaz? or lets start calling raam raam instead of zikar-e-rahmaan?
ma'azallah...
poet ka idea beshak bohot nobel hoga, but a brilliant idea gone wrong here... hum namaz parhtay aur pooja kartay bhee aik hee shehar aur mulk main reh saktay hain, iskay liye pooja aur namaz ko aik kehna zaroori nahi hay.
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
so lets start doing pooja instead of offering namaz? or lets start calling raam raam instead of zikar-e-rahmaan?
ma'azallah...
poet ka idea beshak bohot nobel hoga, but a brilliant idea gone wrong here... hum namaz parhtay aur pooja kartay bhee aik hee shehar aur mulk main reh saktay hain, iskay liye pooja aur namaz ko aik kehna zaroori nahi hay.
I think poet is not saying that these are same things. His point of view (we may agree or not) is that these things lead to One.... We don't know in detail what is the state of mind of Hindus when they do pooja.... but we should believe that as our namaz is a mode of submission so is the case with Hindus. IMO Poet's message was religions are to lead life according to a set pattern and they should not lead to war and killing each other.
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
I think poet is not saying that these are same things. His point of view (we may agree or not) is that these things lead to One.... We don't know in detail what is the state of mind of Hindus when they do pooja.... but we should believe that as our namaz is a mode of submission so is the case with Hindus. IMO Poet's message was religions are to lead life according to a set pattern and they should not lead to war and killing each other.
ab aap iski jitni bhee achi tashrih karlain : p ye aapka kamal hay poet ka nahi, ye aapka zoq hay poet ka nahi.
poet nay jo bongi marni thi mardi, aap isko is tarha coverup na karain jesay jiyalay zardari ki bongiyon ko kartay hain
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ab aap iski jitni bhee achi tashrih karlain : p ye aapka kamal hay poet ka nahi, ye aapka zoq hay poet ka nahi.
poet nay jo bongi marni thi mardi, aap isko is tarha coverup na karain jesay jiyalay zardari ki bongiyon ko kartay hain
lols.. mine ye tak nahin janta ke poet kon hai.. poetry to waise bhi matter of interpretation hoti hai :p
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
Every religion got ability to produce good people. Hum sahi tum ghalt philosophy leads to no where
es ka matlb saray mazhab aik jaisay hain?
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
Islam means peace and peace can't exist without tolerance. first stage of tolerance to respect others views. We may not agree to the poet's view, but I find his intention valuable in today's time. Harmony should be promoted. Once we are in a position to tolerate each others, then we can discuss whats our point of views, what is wrong and right and how you are wrong and I'm right. starting from you are wrong and I'm right never solves any problems.
Quran was revealed over the period of 23 years because Allah wanted to teach society in gradual manners. Allah knew every wrong aspects of the society, but there was no such thing like one day implementation of Islam
yes, but we need to differentiate respect from accept, opening post main donon mazahib ko aik jaisa bana kr paish kia gya hai
Re: Tum Ram kaho voh Raheem kahay
es ka matlb saray mazhab aik jaisay hain?
who said so. Only Science treats all religions same. denying all. :)
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yes, but we need to differentiate respect from accept, opening post main donon mazahib ko aik jaisa bana kr paish kia gya hai
opening post doesn't say that all the religions are same on apparent forms. It says that the philosophy behind them is same. Overall the message at end (not to kill other human) is universal in all religions. No religion instructs its followers to take lives of other humans just because of difference of faith.