Lie 100% if it is needed. When we were robbed in Darfur, we came to the normal stage where they usually beat internationals. Our Nepali hindu friends lied about his name and religion and we got left alone.
Me and my other colleague were Pakistani Muslims. We said he was also Pakistani. He gave a muslim name and recited some quran he knew.
So yes Lying is definitely worth it in situations.
u didnt even pay attention to what i have said.....
i wasnt talking about extreme situations at alll
yeh its so sad… and when these kids grow up and start lying to parents and they get all shocked where they went wrong in raising their kids…
Yeah and also, do the parents really think that their kids are that stupid and don't know that they are being lied to?
Don't they think that their children will start wondering why their parents told them that If they don't go to sleep the dark man will come to get them and a few years later they tell the children not not to be afraid because there is no dark man?
And at the same time, they are also being told that lying is wrong.
LOL?
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Lying is wrong but being funny isnt…
I remmeber once when me and some other guys had a grudge but we both belonged to proud fammilies and didnt’ want to start a war… afterall we were just young and foolish so we set ourselves up for a fight…
Offcouse the conditions were clear no blood to be shed so both sides agreed… if our parents saw any blood then war would be a serious possibilty 
So we both turned up with foam bats and clubs and foam weaponry and just beat each other senseless without any serouis bloodshed… niether fammilies knew anything till somebody ratted on us.
But when our parents asked did we go to shed the blood of our brothers we said no… and we werent lying either 
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As far as I remember, Its Hazarat Ali's saying that lie is only forgivable in following couple of cases
1) to save someone's life (who is innocent)
2) to save dunya from fasad
and NO. lying to parents, spouse coz you want to avoid the argument is not included in above.
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i have seen this argument before and am wondering where people get it from? Do you really believe that it is up to you to save someone's life and that if their time has come your lying will save them? Don't you think that if it isn't their time, they'll get saved anyways? Why is being truthful stressed so much in every religion if its such a casual matter that it can be left on a person's judgement?
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^ huh?
So in that situation you will tell truth and reveal the where a child is hidden?
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^ how likely is that scenario? lets say that there a chance in about 3 trillion that that happens, then either you should have the courage to say you are not telling or if you're going to chicken out(don't take it personally, I might do the same :D), don't try to justify it with high morals. If it was such a virtue it might've been mentioned in some religion. On the contrary, every religion makes a blanket statement against lying without mentioning any circumstances in which it is allowed.
^ how likely is that scenario? lets say that there a chance in about 3 trillion that that happens, then either you should have the courage to say you are not telling or if you're going to chicken out(don't take it personally, I might do the same :D), don't try to justify it with high morals. If it was such a virtue it might've been mentioned in some religion. On the contrary, every religion makes a blanket statement against lying without mentioning any circumstances in which it is allowed.
And my friend, your bold statement is a lie! :D
P.S. Nothing taken personally. :)
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^ how about an example? since we both claim to be muslim, lets see one from islam? from the scripture or the the Prophet (saw)
which religion do u follow thats lying to u 
..change your religion so you dont have to lie 
As far as I remember, Its Hazarat Ali's saying that lie is only forgivable in following couple of cases
1) to save someone's life (who is innocent) 2) to save dunya from fasad
and NO. lying to parents, spouse coz you want to avoid the argument is not included in above.
Just to elaborate .. on your second pointer.. in this case i wud say the politicians are the biggest angels living amongst us sinful ppl ..where they lie day in day out ..whyyy ..so they can save the dunya from fasad .. look where this is getting raja parvez ashraf with his lying about giving the pakistani nation some electric .. and as a result .. look on the flip side how mmany rallies and ihtijaaj there are going on ..
ps. could you give a referance as to where its written that it IS a saying of Hazrat Ali RA thankx.
^ how about an example? since we both claim to be muslim, lets see one from islam? from the scripture or the the Prophet (saw)
Islam is religion which forbids lying, deception and cheating and considers them to be sins.
True, but the kind of lying or situations where a lie is not permitted is far different from the one which is permitted.
Lying to hurt someone, to get any worldly michievous gain, to add something in religion etc. are not permitted. If you joke and try to hurt someone by making fun intentionally then it is not good.
But there are situations where 'lying' is allowed.
Come on bhai sahab or Chacha sahab! At least use some common sense.
Do I neeed to explain or give you references you asked for?
The way you wrote the statement one thinks you had done some investigation in to this matter before saying above. I am not sure if you did. :)
OK;
I refuted your statement: Just for the record it is quoted again.
"every religion makes a blanket statement against lying without mentioning any circumstances in which it is allowed.
Here are few references for you to ponder.
Don't you think Ibrahim AS lied when he blamed the 'big one' instead of him who broke the smaller idols?
Narated By Abu Huraira : Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasion. Twice for the Sake of Allah when he said, "I am sick," and he said, "(I have not done this but) the big idol has done it." The (third was) that while Abraham and Sarah (his wife) were going (on a journey) they passed by (the territory of) a tyrant. Someone said to the tyrant, "This man (i.e. Abraham) is accompanied by a very charming lady." So, he sent for Abraham and asked him about Sarah saying, "Who is this lady?" Abraham said, "She is my sister." Abraham went to Sarah and said, "O Sarah! There are no believers on the surface of the earth except you and I. This man asked me about you and I have told him that you are my sister, so don't contradict my statement." The tyrant then called Sarah and when she went to him, he tried to take hold of her with his hand, but (his hand got stiff and) he was confounded. He asked Sarah. "Pray to Allah for me, and I shall not harm you." So Sarah asked Allah to cure him and he got cured. He tried to take hold of her for the second time, but (his hand got as stiff as or stiffer than before and) was more confounded. He again requested Sarah, "Pray to Allah for me, and I will not harm you." Sarah asked Allah again and he became alright. He then called one of his guards (who had brought her) and said, "You have not brought me a human being but have brought me a devil." The tyrant then gave Hajar as a girl-servant to Sarah. Sarah came back (to Abraham) while he was praying. Abraham, gesturing with his hand, asked, "What has happened?" She replied, "Allah has spoiled the evil plot of the infidel (or immoral person) and gave me Hajar for service." (Abu Huraira then addressed his listeners saying, "That (Hajar) was your mother, O Bani Ma-is-Sama (i.e. the Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, Hajar's son)."
Chapter : Forbiddance of telling a lie and the cases in which telling of lie is permissible.
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).